Useful image of the location of the attacks
I found this picture on the Chicago tribune site. It's actually rather interesting because until this I had figured he was actually going down the halls and entering random classes (as the news had generally phrased it) to shoot up the place. But looking at the picture it looks like all the classrooms were in one place and he didn't really walk anywhere. It's a very informative image so is there any way we could included it with out breaking copyright laws?--Reyals 17:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Can we use it as a reference for text? The data it provides - the layout of the classrooms - is something that I haven't seen in the article or any other news outlet. Surely it's somewhere else as well, but this is the only thing we've got at the moment. --Kizor 11:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
"...upon hearing the police..."
The second paragraph says that " committed suicide upon hearing the police during the second attack". Please, remove the "upon hearing the police" part, because we certainly don't know what prompted the murderer to kill himself. (Note the timelime in this article: "the shooter is dead before police arrive".) Our police "heroes" apparently had ZERO impact on the outcome of this event---so, attempting to give them half-assed credit for the shooter's suicide is certainly nothing more than apologist speculation. However, even if the police had arrived two hours earlier, we wouldn't know the killer's motivation.
Online suicide note hoax discussion
This discussion is still in relative chaos. I'm combining some sections for ease of reading and clarity. If wrong, slap with fish. --Kizor 08:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
4chan /b/ Message
Anyone have any information on how he posted his attack on 4chan's /b/ thread? (http://www.thestar.com/article/204030) has some information on it, but I was wondering if anyone could find other sources mentioning it and add it to the main article. -Stexe 71.225.125.176 05:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Warning of massacre
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204030 "Students at the university's online newspaper, planetblacksburg.com, today discovered a message on a website that seemed to announce the massacre.
Posted early yesterday morning on 4chan, a website that allows anonymous postings, the message warned: "hey /b/ I'm going to kill people at vtech today in the name of anonymous."" Should this be in there somewhere? 66.169.45.213 23:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
No, the warning was actually written almost 7 hours AFTER the shooting took place. The link provided above is to a gossip newspaper. CINEGroup 23:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Ok. I just found it while surfing the web. I didn't do any research. Sorry.
Second Wave
Straight from a strong hideout of Asian deviants I found this quote "311 Name: Anonymous : 2007-04-17 21:22 ID:VCXrJzcr
"hey /b/ I'm going to kill people at vtech today in the name of anonymous."" Is the FBI watching this??? WHY WON"T THEY DO ANYTHING!!!!the do watch 4chan the fbi responded to a bomb treat for some football game that never would of existed and now some guy is serving a jail sentence. however with a hundred thousand or so annon posts these forums are unmanageable for the authority's 4chan is not a reliable source
Here's a reliable source : thestar.com. And la times says that he posted "im going to kill people at vtech today" on a forum.--PseudoChron 01:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Um, thestar.com is the URL for Canada's best selling newspaper. It is not a gossip paper, it is a leading Toronto daily.74.12.68.159 02:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)bangthedrum
Both of those articles source the student news site which found the original 4chan post, which we've already confirmed is a hoax and was posted long after the shootings. This topic should be closed from discussion. - Ennuified talk 03:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
This very post actually has been published in this swedish newspaper: http://expressen.se/nyheter/1.642133 (you can see it there), and is in the print-edition as well. pictures will be posted, if it is included in this article sometime, hopefully.
antidepressant-induced violence in young people is real
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030372 talks about it somewhat. Do we know which drugs the shooter was on? Could this be part of the story? 69.117.70.35 21:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
we read: "Mr. Cho awoke before 5 a.m., then sat down to work on his computer and awakened Mr. Aust in the process. Mr. Grewal, who shares a room in the same suite, saw Mr. Cho in the bathroom shortly after 5 a.m.
As usual, Mr. Cho did not say anything to Mr. Grewal. No good morning, no hello, Mr. Grewal said. Mr. Cho stood in the bathroom, brushing his teeth, wetting his contact lenses and applying a moisturizer.
He also took a prescription medicine. Neither Mr. Aust nor Mr. Grewal knew what the medicine was for, but officials said prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects." 201.19.170.38 14:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
A 23 year old man is hardly young or a child. And without some proof, it doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Jack Thompson
Would it be worth having a section on Jack Thompson and his response? 71.127.199.199 00:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Ennuified - not in this article. It may be relevant, however, in Jack Thompson (attorney). -- Chuq (talk) 01:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no credible third-party evidence that the gunman played video games. There is only evidence that Jack Thompson thinks the gunman played video games. So there should be no discussion of the "video games made him do it" theory unless reliable sources show that he was involved in violent gaming. szyslak 03:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Thompson's a vulture. Merely mentioning his name might conjure him. Honestly, the points where I agree with him make him far more unsavory than the points where I disagree - he sullies and cheapens all that he touches. Seriously, though, is it really desirable or acceptable to include his commentary, commentary which would surely remove accountability completely from Cho's shoulder's and placing on the things in this country Jack Thompson percieves as "bad influences". I'm not big on violent video games myself, and definitely feel like there are better avenues of recreation, but do we really want the friends and family members of the victims who might read this page to read excerpts of Jack Thompsons contentions that videogames, not a daranged psychopath, killed their children? Long story short - please no. Liquid entropy
Blame "Counterstrke"
the interviewer of the suite mate on msnbc mentioned counter strike several times, another instance of the media blaming video games...maybe some one wants to add this or address it in greater length
additionally if you want the Rutgers University response, I can get the email the president sent out.
ISMAEL AX!!!
Does anyone know of any significance to this name.
It is now being reported that the term was actually AX ISHMAEL. 151.213.177.128 23:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)gnoko
ISMAIL AX, obviously is an anagram for SALAMI XI (salami eleven)207.118.168.114 03:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
According to one website, ISHMAEL means "God will hear." This appears to fit with his manifesto to NBC.
There's a typo in the article -- whatever the real spelling, "Ismale" is wrong. Mergy 11:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
My personal interpretation (for all that's worth) is that he is using Ishmael to refer to a rejected outsider who wanders the earth. This is how critics interpret the significance of the name in Moby Dick. Paladinwannabe2 14:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
suggestion to remove picture of the front page of the sydney morning herald
] suggestion to remove the picture from the front page of the Sydney Morning Herald, which seems to suggest a relationship either current or prior with the first victim, Emily, which was later stated to be not true. it appeared that Cho was obsessed with the girl and that they had no prior relationship note: i deleted the picture which contains the misleading and contradictory headline YanShen 10:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Mind, it is relevant that Emily was first assumed to be a girlfriend and reported as such. This should be (and is) covered in the text, and the front page could illustrate media response. --Kizor 11:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Emily Hilscher's roomate
Is Emily's (the first victim) roomate's name relevant. Because i think i might have it. she is listed in the article as having talked to the police and having suggested the wrong person (eg: Emily's boyfriend) - Joetheguy 13:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Peace-time mass shooting
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