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Current discussion for improving OBD page(s)
Talk page restructure
I have refactored this talk page, (last edits were Jan 2008). I have retained some relevant suggestions, and moved the rest to the "Pre-2009 Talk" section, which I propose to remove/archive. Any comments appreciated. --Hbachus (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Main OBD page restructure
- I have made some substantial structure changes to the OBD page, hopefully in line with many of the suggestions here on the talk page.
- I have rewritten and generalised the old Scan Tools section as the new OBD Applications section.
- I think that we need to move OBD-II protocol details to a new page - called "OBD-II protocol"? This would allow the current page to remain as an overview.
Any comments appreciated. --Hbachus (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Legislation?
This page needs more info on the legislation and history which lead to adoption of OBD... from what I understand it was originally required by California emission control legislation, and later became a national requirement. KWH 03:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Adding external links
There has been much previous discussion and editing/removing of links to external scan tools etc. Please resist adding external links on the main page that do not enhance the content of the page. Your links may be added to the relevant section below. --Hbachus (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
List of OBD Applications
Commercially available scan tools
- DEC SuperScan Link to DEC Automotive SuperScan website. The best European automotive professional scan tool.
- BR-3, supports J1850 VPW/PWM and ISO91941-2.
- CarChip, supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN).
- CarCheckup, Consumer system with easy to understand diagnostic recommendations and driver performance logs using a powerful Internet based system . CarCheckup (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- Dyno-Scan, supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN).
- ElmScan 5, supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN).
- Car-Pal, supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN). Bluetooth or serial.
- ElmScan ISO/PWM/VPW, inexpensive single-protocol OBDII scan tools.
- OBD-2 Vehicle Explorer, supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN)
- PowrTuner, supports J1850 VPW flash programming
- Mobydic OBDII tester with OE90C2600 J1979 mode 1..9 & 9600 baud rs232 in enclosure
- EngineCheck EOBD and OBDII Scan Tool (USB or serial) supports J1850 VPW/PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230 (KWP2000), and ISO15765-4 (CAN)
- Autologic - Factory-quality scan tools with outstanding BMW coverage.
- Launch X-431 - The world's best-selling diagnostic tool.
- AeroForce Tech Interceptor Scan Gauge for GM VPW vehicles - Reads and resets fault codes, scans regular and enhanced OBD-2 PID's
- ScanGauge
- X-Gauge for smart® - Convert the cockpit clock of your smart® fortwo into a high-tech engine monitoring instrument! (works also in the smart® roadster)
- Atek, Source for OBD-II cable assemblies
- Carplugs, Source for OBD2 connectors, OBDii Cables and Scan Tools.
- OBD2Cables.com, Source for OBDII cables
- Nissan consult-I diagnostics (1990-2000) - PC based diagnostics interface cable for windows, MAC and Linux.
- ECUTalk, Nissan Consult diagnostic displays, interface cables, and free software
- PLMS, Nissan Consult interface cables and software
Software
- ScanTool.net Software Page has links to software for ElmScan-compatible interfaces (including open source software).
- PCMSCAN - the premier OBD Scan Tool software Tuner Tools is a registered distributor of PCMSCAN software & many other OBD products.
- digimoto.com Claims to be "The ultimate solution for vehicle diagnostics, dynamometer readings and statistical analysis".
Pre-2009 Talk
Advertorial blog
216.138.192.60, please stop inserting your advertorial blog. --Treekids (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- This is what I removed: OBD2 Blog OBDII Weblog --Treekids (talk) 18:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- _ Fine, but you have to remove all other links that sell products (indirectly):
Their product pages are just one click away, just like my blog. Wikipedia does have a double standard. Please remove all pages that have indirect advertisement like the pages above. These page are not .edu and are for profit. Then I will stop putting my blog. 216.138.192.60
- Since you've identified other offenders, please feel free to remove them. This is not my focus- I fix what I come across, and I hope others do the same. That's mostly how Wikipedia evolves into a higher form. But kudos to those who take the time to do a thorough job! Sadly, I am not one of them. --Treekids (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not talking bad about you Treekids. I am starting to know how Wikipedia works. Lets just hope It is fair to everyone. Thanks.
Related data
There are a lot of external links, and seems (IMHO) to be to some extent because
- there are those who are trying to sell high-margin code scanners and gauges
- there is a lot of information that seems to be only available in these vendors' sites.
I'm wondering if it might be wise to incorporate here or in a couple of "List Of" pages information like...
- For my make and model of car, do I have a variant of OBD available and if so, which one?
- Which cables are available, and which software applications, and what are their system requirements?
- What code-reader devices are available, and can they reset codes?
- What leave-in OBD readers (gauges) are available, and can they display MPG?
--Treekids (talk) 02:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Time for a new category?
With all the different onboard computer systems used in automobiles since the early 1980s, they should be collected under their own category.
There's OBD-II, OBD-I, Ford's EEC-IV and others used prior to OBD-I as well as all the systems used in other countries.
–I would like to add some information on the consult diagnostics interface used in Nissans between about 1990 and 2000. There was a period after about 1985 where the different car manufacturers had different systems, not cross compatible. Maybe if there was some type of menu to other pages explaining each of these systems would be good. The information will be helpful as I get many questions on the Nissan system. Im new to this, how do I go about doing this? ZCarJase 06:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
What is diagnosed, and how?
I would like to see a list of diagnostic systems, and the functions of each. It would also be nice to have an explanation of how they work and how to perform the diagnostics.
Legislation?
This page needs more info on the legislation and history which lead to adoption of OBD... from what I understand it was originally required by California emission control legislation, and later became a national requirement. KWH 03:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
CAN bus before 2004
The article says: Vehicles sold in the United States were not allowed to use CAN for diagnostics prior to model year 2004. Is this really true? I believe my cars (two are 1999 models) use CAN for diagnostics. Can someone point to the legislation that does not allow this? --Mikeblas 07:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
External Links
This article seems a little heavy on external links. Wikipedia isn't a shopping guide; so should these be removed? -- Mikeblas 02:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
They definitely need to be removed. Also, the links to DTC listings should be moved to the . I'm planning a major re-write of this page, as it is in dire need of repair, but I keep having to put it off. I may get to it this weekend; if I start the re-write, I'll post here to request that people hold off on modifying it for a few hours. Mouser 15:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Links to your favorite scan tools and related products
Wikipedia is not a repository of links; please resist the temptation to post a link to your favorite scan tool in the article. I have moved all of the links to specific scan tools and software from the article to here. Feel free to add a link at this location.
Commercially available scan tools
- DEC SuperScan Link to DEC Automotive SuperScan website.
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