Title for article
There has to be a better title for this article. When I saw it, I thought it was about something else entirely (driving up-and-down the boulevard). As is, this article is begging to be disagged (if articles could beg, of course). -- Two Halves who is not logged in again
And in this form it's more an article for wikitravel.org than for the wikipedia. Guaka 00:28, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The link is from sailing and I don't know of any other term than cruising. This article is very full of info but IMHO could use some editing to make it easier to read, just headings and such. There are also some sections that could be added; quarantine, piracy, more communication info, finance. A link to wikitravel.org would be cool too. Sound good? Colin Carr 15:59, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
The article reads like a magazine piece, rather than an unbiased entry. Many of the items in the "generally agreed upon" list of tips and tricks aren't actually agreed upon. There are sharp differences of opinion even among the cruising experts listed in the section on additional references.
Joy Stovall 00:03, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
Monohull/Multihull POV
I removed this:
"Get a strong monohull. Have it surveyed before you buy it, and tell the surveyor you plan to go offshore. Pick a boat that probably would not be harmed if run aground, because most yachtsmen do this (wince) at least once. Multihulls kill their crews by capsizing in storms. They cannot be righted by their crews, who generally die of exposure. Monohulls in the same situation are usually dismasted, but turn right-side up. The crews cut away the rig, jury-rig a mast and sail home. This is frightening, difficult and expensive, but not fatal."
Multihulls today are just as safe as monohulls. While it's true that if flipped, they won't self-right, they do float, even upside-down. The running joke between staunch multihullers and their monohull counterparts is that "Multihulls reach ultimate stability when upside down. Monohulls reach it when resting on the ocean floor." Joyous 19:22, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
Encyclopaedic Style
I agree, Joy. I would fix it, but my knowledge of the subject is less than useful. We need an experienced sailing Wikipedian - any takers? - Rissa 03:04, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Non-problems
I removed this from the 'Problems' section:
"Getting money from a distant bank can be painful, sometimes taking up to 3 weeks for a check or letter-of-credit to clear. It helps to be in a large city, and bank at a large bank in a famous city of your home country. Get money no more often than every six months, as small, $10 traveler's checks. Perform haul-outs, bottom painting and other maintenance while waiting for the money. Also, plan to wait somewhere pleasant and inexpensive."
It seemed unduly negative and a bit US-centric. We had no problem cruising Europe and the Caribbean with credit cards in 1999-2000 and it must be easier still now. - Nigelj 17:27, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
US-centric?
I'm not sure we need a 'Cruising destinations in North America' section in this article at all - let alone right at the top. Maybe it should be the start of a whole series of new articles. What would it be like if we had such a section for every part of the world? England, France, Carribbean, Indonesia... with everybody's favourite gunkhole listed and described? Chaos, in this overview I think. --Nigelj 11:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- The overview is messy. Agree with Nigel that separate article are the way forward ie Carribbean (cruising), France (cruising) etc Boatman 10:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
lacking NPOV
This article is wonderfully exhastive, but does not show the required NPOV. I agree that geographic-area-specific articles would be a good idea. I furthermore agree that the greater bulk of this article belongs in a more appropriate forum such as Wikitravel.
Working and living aboard boats long-term now has shown me that, as wonderful as the cruising community is, there is NO general or majority consensus on most of the subjects discussed in this article. Fellow cruisers reading this article will be able to parse through and take what they will, but it will be a tough go for the neophyte looking for a to-the-point description of "this cruising thing" that they've heard about.
Frankly, i'd love to dive in and strip this article of all subjectivity, but living on a boat in the tropics with limited internet access makes that difficult... Osteoderm 22:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. I re-wrote the initial sentence. That's a start, right? You know, there's more than just the POV/opinions issue--the tone is breezy and overly casual. Some parts sound like one of Fatty Goodlander's pieces in a sailing magazines Joyous | Talk 01:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup!
As a cruiser myself, I love that there's a cruising article, and appreciate the work that's been done to get it started. But I think it needs cleanup, and it needs to conform to Wikipedia policy. Yes, I'm volunteering to help, and I have some photos to contribute too!
As I see it, I think that means getting rid of the list of tips, because that is original research, as I see it. To justify keeping this, we would need to cite external sources for (a) the tips, and (b) the fact that these are in fact the tips for cruisers. In other words, we need to document a phenomenon which is "out there", which is not the same as writing a "how-to" guide.
So, what should we see here? I've had a stab already at something similar in single-handed sailing. I absolutely do not believe that that is the perfect article (and comments are welcome), but I think the concept is reasonable — talk about what it is, the history (mention Hal Roth and the Pardeys, for example), techniques that people use, etc. — to the extent that we can cite sources for everything.
Comments? — Johan the Ghost seance 23:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
--- Added "Dragged Aboard: A Cruising Guide for the Reluctant Mate" to reccommended books section. Remove link to Cruise
The pre-cleanup version of the article
Request to Move to WikiCruising
I've created a Wiki dedicated to maritime cruising at WikiCruising. It's a for-profit venture, but will remain a free and open Wiki forever (under a CC Wiki license). I'd be willing to host and maintain all of this content if no one is doing so here.
Townsnda 19:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
--V. Joe 03:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC) Is it entirely necessary/NPOV to mention the William F. Buckley article with "not a shade of politics?" Buckley is a known crusiser, and whatever his political persuasion, it is not quite relevant to his cruising expierence. I am not an expert on sailing, but I am a long term Buckley reader. WFB is quite able to seperate his political life and his hobbies.
Worth including
While this article mentionds Slocum as a cruising pioneer, it justs pretty far forward after that. Cruising as a lifestyle came to be before the Pardeys and Leonard/Starzinger and some of their predicesors are worth mentioning. It would be worth including in the History section people like Miles and Beryl Smeeton as well as Bernard Moitessier. Though really countless people could be mentioned, these particular yachties fill a time gap in the current artical and they also make it less USA centric (Smeetons are British and Monitessier is French).
Further reading
This section really needs tidying up. Very POV and US-centric. Publishers and dates would be useful, too. I've made a start, but at least putting it in alphabetical order and removing some of the enthusiastic POV comments about specific books. I will return to it in due course, when I have time. Meanwhile, if anyone else fancies it ... Gnusmas 07:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Sailing re-organization effort
Take a minute to read the comments at Talk:Sailing#Re-write effort -- non how-to et seq. Some of us a working on re-organizing the sailing-related articles. See if you agree with our approach and give us some help. I think deletion of Blue water sailing fits with the plan. Cruising (maritime) can suffice. What do you think? Mrees1997 19:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Furthur Reading and Links
I think both of these sections need work. Furthur reading is too long considering the size of the article. I have removed some listings already, particularly some that may belong in a Navigation article, and some multipul listings of books by the same author. A prolific cruising author I think it would be best to just list their one most prevelent book and make room to list examples of others. I think this list should try to include books only directly about cruising itself, a book for instance on weather and only weather, or navigation and only navigation does not belong in the crusing article, neither would an book on sail trim for instance or deseil engine maintence. I of course have my own opinions on what books would be ideally listed here, but dont want to force my thoughts on that.
As for links, I have been removing a few links to personal websites, there is thousands of those out there, and already some websites linked here have lists of such websites.
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