Katie Holmes
Self-nom for a profile of the actress much in the news for her relationship with Tom Cruise. Article has references, completely chronicles the actress's life, career, and relationship with Cruise. It has photographs as well. The article, cited as a good article, was peer reviewed twice here and here. It also had a FAC in the past, here. PedanticallySpeaking 16:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support , the POV issues seem to have been cleaned up. Nice work! --W(t) 16:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . Well documented subject, appears to have reconciled all of the pov issues which there used to be many of. AriGold 16:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support article looks good and appears well set out. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. . Looks very good and balanced. Though I can't help but note I wish there was at least one free image in the article. There's got to be some way of getting one. Has anyone tried contacting her agent/fanclubs/etc? Sorry I didn't mention this during the peer review. - Taxman 16:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Was about to support when I realised that the footnotes are out of line; clicking footnote 70 brings me to footnote 69.Please use m:Cite (as documented on WP:FN) to avoid this sort of problem in the future. Also, ideally we should avoid directly linking to external websites in the text (such as was done with the Free Katie website). Aside from that, I see no problem with this article. Good job on keeping it largely free from fancruft. Johnleemk | Talk 16:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . Good work. Very well resourced, refs, illustrated with images, flows well and interesting to read.-- Dakota ~ ° 18:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Object. (although these things should be fairly easy to fix.)
The statement in the lead her films being "bombs" should be sourced. In the Early life and career section, things like The Blade and Joey Potter are overlinked and her parts such as listing her "secret vices" are just unimportant trivia. Image:Katiegap.jpg, Image:Cruiseonoprah.jpg and Image:GQKatie.jpg currently lack fair use rationales. Also, I don't think the use of Image:GQKatie.jpg qualifies as fair use, as it's not an article about the magazine and the issue is not mentioned in the corresponding section.And I think the Bibliography subsection of Notes should just be removed, as they are all listed under References anyway. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 19:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- A footnote has been inserted for the "bombs" statement in the lead, and duplicate wikilinks have been trimmed. The Oprah screenshot now has fair use rationale on its description page, while the GQ and Gap images have been removed. I've also taken away the material on Holmes' favourite things, but I don't dare touch the Bibliography section since PedanticallySpeaking supplied virtually all of the article's references. Extraordinary Machine 21:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . Very comprehensive, well-written and neutral...an excellent article, meets all the criteria. Well done! Extraordinary Machine 21:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . She's a terrible actress, but the article is definitely well-written. —Eternal Equinox | talk 00:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Object - reasonable article, though extremely long considering she's hardly someone whose achievements to date will leave very much of a mark on the world. My problem here is mainly referencing - I do not believe that any article can possibly need 89 references. It's long been joked that we'll eventually see 'Joe Bloggs ' with the birth certificate being cited and that's pretty much what this article does. The 'Early life' section is poorly written, with short sentences, no sense of flow, and almost every single sentence having a distracting footnote, whether it contains a potentially disputable fact or not. I also think there is a huge over-reliance throughout the article on quotes from magazine articles etc, which makes it read more like a lengthy news report than an encyclopaedia article.
- Support. It's a really comphrehensive article. My only qualm is that the Tom Cruise section doesn't need four subsections.--Fallout boy 04:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support
Object (for now) - I think it's very good on the whole. I'm so glad to see that the issue with the images has been dealt with. (Well done Extraordinary Machine on such a good job! ) Two things that will be easy to fix : 1. The first paragraph in "Early life and career" contains 12 sentences. These need to be merged to give it a better flow. All it needs is some "and"s and some commas. 2. In the "Dawson's Creek" section there is a sentence beginning "So good was Holmes" - where the "so good" is outside the parameter of discussion being attributed to a particular commentator, and as written looks more like an editorial comment. It needs to be subtly reworded to shift the POV onto The New York Times where it belongs. eg The New York Times considered Holmes to be so good that they wrote...." . Or better still, just drop the "so good" and have the sentence read : " The New York Times wrote ..." and let their comments stand on their own without further amplification. Other than that, I think the article is very good and I will certainly support when these minor points are fixed.Rossrs 10:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC) I like the article, so I've made the minor changes that I thought were needed. It's well written, scrupulously referenced, and the images are well chosen and well supported by fair use rationales. It seems to be balanced and the earlier POV issues have been dealt with satisfactorily. I think the depth of discussion of her relationship with Tom Cruise is relevant because it is current - at some point in the future, when it is no longer topical, it could be culled, but for now it is appropriate. Rossrs 09:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Kaisershatner 14:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Everyking 14:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Object Too much of her relationship with Tom Cruise--Hotwiki 16:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . Enough comprehensive, well-formatted filmography. Brandmeister 18:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Object- WOW! IMO, too many references in "Early life and career". I real dissapointment. KILO - LIMA 19:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Object - The swathes on Tom Cruise totally unbalance the article. - Hahnchen 20:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't understand. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Object , primarily because of the overuse of direct quotes. Significant portions of the article are simply chains of quotations from various magazines together with footnote numbers; these need to be transformed into something closer to original prose. Maintaining NPOV should not require simply restating the opinions of critics verbatim. In addition, various trivia (e.g. "Before the premiere, the show's talk of sex caused a stir in the press; one of the show's producers, Procter and Gamble, withdrew after negative press in its hometown newspapers" and "Holmes purchased a townhouse in Wilmington in 2002") shoud be excised; the article is rather long as it is. —Kirill Lok s hin 02:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support . Quite good. -- 00:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support awesome. you added a few more photos since the peer review stage (I think), which make it look very complete. awesome references look, nicely organized and a nice font/font size. good info! keep up the good work! --Lan56 09:
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