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Read from center or from edge?
According to ] and ], the GameCube / Wii disc is read in the same direction as a regular DVD (center to edge). Is this correct? --D235j (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I have removed this seemingly-inaccurate fact and added two new external links. --D235j (talk) 02:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)CAV?
Can anybody confirm that the discs are really using CAV format? Some people found out (http://www.ingenieria-inversa.cl/?p=9) that only the scrambled frame is different.. --84.144.78.206 19:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Merging
Okay, I was a little confused by the history of moves and merges, but previously this was made into a redirect to Nintendo GameCube. I merged some information from Nintendo GameCube/pagehistory1 and Nintendo Gamecube Optical Disc. This seems to be the most proper page name, but I'm definitely open to moving it again, as long as we can keep a single page and talk history from here on in. --SevereTireDamage 10:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- It was uniquely made this way to deter piracy, much like the Universal Media Disc and GD-ROM. Arguably it was successful in that regard, since the piracy rate for GC pirate media vs. legitimate GC games is lower than it is for PS2 and Xbox.
- Usually mentioned as one of the major differences between the other systems in its generation, especially the Xbox. Also, the media format is often cited in reviews for explaining why the ports of GameCube titles are considered inferior to PS2 and Xbox versions.
- Also follows in Nintendo's footsteps of constantly using proprietary, low-capacity media, much like the N64, and the Wii, though the Wii actually uses standard DVD-ROMs, I believe. The GC disc's existence will continue for a while longer, since the Wii will accept them.
If it was a simple miniDVD,shouldn't it be readable by ordinary DVD drives?Because it's not.84.134.244.12 12:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Some more references
Here are some more references for the format:
- http://cube.ign.com/mail/2000-11-01.html
- http://cube.ign.com/mail/2000-11-02.html
- http://ign64.ign.com/mail/2000-10-11.html
- http://cube.ign.com/mail/2001-02-09.html
- http://cube.ign.com/mail/2000-11-30.html
Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Items that don't belong in this article.
- The fact that the gamecube doesn't play x-format. This article is about the disc, not the specifications and format compatibilities of the console.
- Pre-fetch comments. All prefetching is, is changing the order of data, so more common items load first. Any format can do this, and it is not based on the medium, but based on file order.
- Overly wording things to make it appear as though this page has more information than it does because of the above argument, two examples below.
Exact same information.74.33.0.16 02:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the changes back. This article (as most articles should) is being written so that someone who is completely unfamiliar with the subject will understand what the article is talking about. Simply saying "outwards-in" is not really clear to someone unfamiliar with the subject, and historical context is definitely important to understanding the choices made by Nintendo here. Also, the fact that that the disc and drive were incompatible with regular DVDs and CDs is definitely warranted for inclusion for similar and obvious reasons. I was also basing the pre-fetch statement on the quote from the IGN interview - it's implied that it was part of the modifications made to the technology in development.
I also don't like the implication I'm "trying to prove a point", in fact, I'm citing any opinions in the article to stay NPOV.
Also, leave the general references in. They're useful so every single little detail doesn't need to be footnoted, and good for readers who want to follow up on information. Many Featured and Good Articles on Wikipedia have dozens of references and external links. --SevereTireDamage 03:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The footnotes only refer to the sentences or paragraphs they are citing. The other references give broader information, such as the spec sheet at Nintendo and the hardware FAQs. In particular, one of them is an editorial defending the format. Opinions cited in the media are relevant here.
To say that the choice of using physical miniDVDs had nothing to do with piracy is ridiculous. Did it make it impossible? Of course not, but it was still a major factor. The very sentence you're talking about is actually about the intentions of Nintendo. I haven't even had time to really expand on the subject of real piracy, here.
The importance of the comparison of the this video game format to its competitors is obvious. The importance of the disc drive and decision not to include standalone video or audio playback is obvious. An encyclopedic article about this format must include a historical context, it's not all about the technical specifications. You are completely ignoring the relevance of the disc on the history of the GameCube as well. Obviously, the two go hand-in-hand.
Similarly, the games that used 2 discs on the Cube were generally pretty unique, as there weren't that many in general, for various reasons. Again, relevant.
I felt that the Wii mention belongs at the end, since it is, in a way, the delayed end of the format.
What's worse is that your edit is still filled with fragmented sentences and awkward phrasing, because you're trying to cram too much information into two paragraphs. --SevereTireDamage 03:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Article move
Reading an above arguments brings up a good point. This page title gets <1000 google hits, Gamecube miniDVD gets 50,000+.The most common name is to be used. 50x the usage shows this isn't the most popular term, and nintendo never uses this term. (A fact
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