Usage
Malkinann, the addition about Kurimoto (a.k.a., Azusa Nakajima) is great. It's hard to overstate her importance in the development of this genre. Both as author and critic, she is justly legendary. The absence of her name till now was a serious omission. Her 1991 book about the rise of a particular subset of otaku, titled Komyunikeeshon fuzen shōkōgun (コミュニケーション不全症候群, "Communication Deficiency Syndrome"), was a ground-breaking bestseller. It was also quite timely, following on the heels of the Tsutomu Miyazaki serial killings. Matt Thorn (talk) 06:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Critical reception
In User:Matt Thorn/Sandbox 1, there's been a discussion about reworking the "appeal" and "debate" sections, and what we've come up with can be seen in User:Matt Thorn/Sandbox 2. Just thought I should put a note here about the change. The initial difference can be seen here. -Malkinann (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
FAKE cover?!
Should the fake cover really be the one at the top of the page? I haven't read the entire manga but from what I hear, there's barely anything sexually explicit in it. A short sex scene or two and that's pretty much it. And this is a series that spans seven volumes. FAKE own Wikipedia entry states that it's a BL manga!
I think a Shin Mizukami cover or a Zetsuai/Bronze doujinshi scan, or ever a Rimigra cover would be more appropriate for yaoi.
Question about yaoi fans(lover)
Whats the motive behind yaois? Supposing most yaoi writers are female, why are they seem to be drawn to yaoi? i know that for normals hetro sex, its pleasure from playing your gender role. Eg. if a guy is watching porn movie, hes drawn to picture himself as the guy in the act of the porn movie and females picturing herself as the girl in the act. What do yaoi fans connect themselves to? Can anyone explain the mindset of yaoi fan? -CuriousGeorge
Merge proposal
I propose that shonen-ai be merged into this article, as the various terms are increasingly conflated, and works previously considered shonen ai are now umbrellaed under either Yaoi or "Boys' Love". I believe it would be more helpful to the reader if we could merge them together. -Malkinann (talk) 01:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Support - per reason #3 of WP:MERGE: "There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability." Basically, there's no reason to have a couple weaker articles when one strong and broad article will do just as well. --Kraftlos (talk) 05:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Support - Boys' love grew out of shounen ai, which is basically an extinct genre. From where I sit, in Japan, it's a no-brainer. In the Japanese Wikipedia, "Boys' Love" is the primary article about this genre/phenomenon. The article on yaoi addresses yaoi specifically as a doujinshi phenomenon that refers specifically to parodies of "straight" material. Basically, it treats "yaoi" as a historical, rather than on-going phenomenon. There is a "shounen ai" article, but this is primarily about the historical phenomenon of adult men in sexual relationships with pubescent/adolescent boys (e.g., Greeks, etc.). Buried way down in the article is a section on shounen ai as a subculture phenomenon in Japan, which is to say the shounen ai most of us think of when he hear the phrase. Now that's confusing. I see no logical reason why these should not be subsumed under a single article, with shounen ai and yaoi being explained in their historical contexts. BTW, Jonica c, I'm not sure why you are so passionate about the "additional element" angle. Isn't it enough to just say that male homosexuality appears as an element in shoujo manga that are not primarily about boys' love, offer a couple of examples, and move on? Matt Thorn (talk) 14:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Support - it should have been done much sooner but I was too lazy to initiate it myself. I also think shounen ai as ephebophilia is important enough so that we DON'T simply redirect the article to Yaoi. The reader should have a choice where to go next (yaoi article/ephebophilia article).Tanya had (talk) 10:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Shounen Ai
Aside from it needing to be spelled shounen & not shonen, since no one on the web spells it that way, it needs to be expanded greatly & include publishers. What happened to the original BL/shounen ai page? They redirect here now.
Stop! My arse hurts!
The "alternate acronym" for Yaoi can be cited to Lunsing, who gets it via a 2000 Yukari Fujimoto paper "The Soul of Girls' Comics: A Complete Guide and Collection of Interviews of Girls' Comics Reflecting the Present" Tokyo: Hakusensha, 2000. It used to be in the article, but I think it was removed as some people found it offensive. I propose to add it back with the following wording: "A joking alternative acronym among fujoshi for yaoi is YAmete, Oshiri ga Itai ( やめて お尻が 痛い ? , "Stop, my arse hurts!") .<ref name ="Yaoi Debate"/>" (Also, best section title ever? ^_-) -Malkinann (talk) 22:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Y!Gallery
The ygallery website http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/ its the most popular art community that focuses around Yaoi why not put this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.122.105.214 (talk) 09:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Seme and Uke
Wow. I just starting reading this, and was stunned at how wrong it is. If Suzuki described the seme as "masculine" and uke as "feminine," then I'm afraid Suzuki doesn't know what she's talking about. I thought every fujoshi on the planet had read at least some of Yasuko Aoike's From Eroica With Love . That is the prototype. The unashamedly gay man pursues the stereotypical masculine, stoic man, and gradually (or suddenly) breaks down his resistance. The uke has to be freaked out by his feelings for the seme to some degree. Of course, there are plenty of exceptions. And come to think of it, the fujoshi.jp definition based on "penetration" is way off, too. Think about it. Plenty of stories involve the feminine seme steadily seducing the uke, whose feelings finally explode in an agressive act of penetrating the (very self-satisfied) seme. Most of you have probably read enough BL to imagine any number of plotlines. These days, some of the best so-called BL artists forgo the whole seme/uke thing, and simply have the two "hook up" in a more natural, organic (?) way. My good buddy and former student, Est Em, is a good example. Sometimes there's a hint of seme/uke in her work, but usually she explores deeper aspects of the relationship than just "who seduces who" (which is why neither she nor I liked the English title "Seduce Me After the Show"). I'm rambling again, but the point is this kind of gross generalization is not just wrong, it makes the genre sound more formulaic and shallow than it is. IMNSHO. Matt Thorn (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Blond and dark-haired?
I notice that in James Welker's "BL as Girls Love" paper, he mentions that Yukari Fujimoto devotes some attention to the visual cue that one character is dark-haired and the other is blond. He says that she says (isn't Chinese whispers fun?) that the dark-haired one is usually more masculine and grounded in reality, whereas the blond is more feminine, "decorative" and "separated from reality". Is this common enough to put into the description of the partners? -Malkinann (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Seme/uke: differences in Japanese and English usage?
Regarding the above discussions, pretty much all the English-language fan discussion I've seen defines seme/uke in terms of penetrator/penetrated; the scenario Matt implies with "the feminine seme steadily seducing the uke" would instead be described by most American fans of my acquaintance as an agressive uke pursuing a shy or reluctant seme. If the Japanese fandom is using the terms more in the sense of pursuer/pursued as Matt seems to imply, might it be worth explicitly pointing out the difference in usage so as to reduce confusion and perhaps prevent some edit wars? JRBrown (talk) 00:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I think you have it the other way around. Seme is the aggressive, macho one while Uke is the girly one. The easiest way to remember is this: during intercourse in the boring old missionary position, the one who is always Under (and therefore the receiver) is an Uke. Both 'Under' and 'Uke' starts with a 'U'.
Hey, hey (My concerns)
Well, I've been a member here for a year and a constantly been checking on this article. As I
What sites are good for yaoi videos and pics? - Yahoo! Answers
What site allows me to look at pokemon,Naruto, Kak… ... What site allows me to look at pokemon,Naruto, Kakshi, Kiba and ,other guy anime yaoi pics and videos?
Yaoi Pics - Yaoi & Yuri Universe
Type your photo caption or credit here. Type your photo caption or credit here. Type your photo caption or credit here. Type your...
yaoi pics pictures by 68Anubis - Photobucket
68Anubis/yaoi pics Photobucket album ... Thanksgiving Greetings Find Thanksgiving greetings for your friends and family!
yaoi pics :: 0014-2.jpg picture by driftqueen22 - Photobucket
Photobucket 0014-2.jpg picture, this photo was uploaded by driftqueen22. Browse other 0014-2.jpg pictures and photos or upload your own with Photobucket free image and video ...
Anime Galleries dot Net - Yaoi Gallery/shota Pics, Images, Screencaps ...
Anime Galleries is your one source for anime images, pictures, scans, screencaps and more. All sorted and categorized. Comment, rate, chat and discuss. Also create your own gallery
Yaoi HQ | Love has NO boundaries
Yaoi pics; Guestbook; youtube; fanfiction; Yugiohfans.co.uk; Yaoi 4ever!!!! AMVs; My Profile ... Hi there, I am yugiismyname, and I am a big yaoi fan. Mostly from animes I watch.
Death Note Yaoi Pics - What bothers you?
just about anything; anime, music, anime profiles, anime fan-fiction, stories, jokes, Cyanide And Happiness,edd gould, neurotically yours, foamy, pictures, piss funny pictures ...
Yaoi Pics' Journal
Hello, I'm just kind of.. saying hey. Im kind of a nuubie here.. ^^; :: nods :: Sorry.. Yeah, I don't have too much to say, though. I was wondering if anyone could help me find ...
Pokemon Yaoi Pictures, Videos, Clips, Pics and Gallery
Pokemon Yaoi Welcome to our free Pokemon Yaoi website! We add new Pokemon Yaoi pictures often. Tell your friends about our Pokemon Yaoi Stories and Pokemon Yaoi Pictures.
Pokemon Yaoi Pictures and Videos
Pokemon Yaoi Welcome to our Pokemon Yaoi site! We have the largest collection of ... Pokemon Yaoi Pics ; Pokemon Yaoi Picture ; Pokemon Yaoi 2 ; Pokemon Yaoi Boys
