edited for clarity
The original as follows...
"The American Medical Association's Code of Ethics prohibits doctors from participating in executions . However there is always a physician present to officially declare the prisoner dead."
is neither correct nor clear.
--Every1blowz 18:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: the external link a) will not be available as long as the article b) (to say the least) doesn´t has the quality of the article ..may be just substantiated personal opinion say: what has pet pharmacology to do with capital sentence?
Comment: Shouldn't this article mention the use of lethal injection by the Nazi Dr. Karl Brandt between 1939 and 1941 as part of the T-4 Euthanasia Programme?
I am wondering why can't they use some kind of encephalogram to monitor brain behavior of the person being executed. Presumably being in a lot of pain would involve a high level of brain activity, unlike being unconscious. So if such high level of activity were detected, some other procedure could be used to finish the person off quickly. Watcher
Article at the moment: "Some doctors object to participating in executions, claiming that it violates their Hippocratic oath." -- is there actually any debate on this? Can we replace it with "Some doctors object to participating in executions, as that violates their Hippocratic oath." Ojw 20:50, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Removed the section refering to the hipocratic oath. If states acting in accordance with the oath, then abortion would be illegal in the state of California.
help me understand
So...why don't they just give them megadoses of these things? Shoot them 10 syringes of Sodium Thiopental and the other drugs that they use? Surely that would answer any questions about whether or not the prisoner was aware?
The person who added the section on controversy is obviously biased about the death penalty. It is true that pentothal is an ultra-short acting barbiturate and is given in anesthesia induction. But it is also a drug used for medical induced comas and the difference is the dosing of the drug to take advantage of its unique pharmacokinetics. Medical induced comas are an extremely rare procedure. Typically it is only used for patient with severe brain injury either from trauma or following a neurosurgical procedure. Using barbiturates decreases the brain activity and therefore decreases metabolic requirements and metoboloic byproducts which may increease brain swelling. Keeping the swelling to a minimum, increases the likelihood of a better outcome.
To suggest that the anesthesia is inadequate is completely naive. There are so many drugs out there that can knock a person out completely. To suggest that people in the medical community do not understand the pharmacokinetics of an "ultra-short" acting barbiturate is the height to stupidity. After 5 grams of pentothal, you could probably saw a person in half and not see any changes on an electroecephalogram. Maybe we should change the name to "ultra-potent" or "ultra-long" to confuse the idiots who think it only works for a few seconds.
Anesthesia awareness does occur. But this occurs when the anesthesiologist is trying to not give too much, yet at the same time trying to give enough drugs to prevent awareness. In lethal injection, there is no concern about adverse effects from too much drugs. After all, the convict will be dead in a few seconds anyways.
Who cares if they are aware? I'm sure they gave their victims the same courtesy. Lethal injection is a tidy way of doing messy business that is not supposed to upset the libtards. No one has ever complained if the guillatine as being too painful, we should just go back to a tried and true method.208.242.58.126 (talk) 11:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
1982 vs 1983
Since it appears that both are quoted as the date for the Texas thing, I have added a parenthetical citing the History Channel. Andre ( talk ) 01:30, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- The History Channel is no kind of source. The Texas Department of Criminal Justice website is perfectly sufficient to demonstrate the 1982 date. Demi T / C 02:40, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
I don't know why the History Channel isn't a source. I've modified the page to say that the History Channel quotes the date as 1983. It does, and it's valid to point out the discrepancy. Andre ( talk ) 19:57, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't matter how many sources state otherwise, we should report that the History Channel has it as the other date. Maybe it should only be a footnote, but it deserves to be reported. Andre ( talk ) 20:41, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
"Sodium thiopental, in a dose high enough to cause death by itself: to put the victim to sleep" *assumes* what is explicitly controverted in the "Is Lethal Injection Painless?" section. It is, in fact, factually wrong. The dose of sodium pentathal is not sufficient to cause death by itself, although it may well cause unconsciousness long enough for the other two drugs to take effect. But if given along, the person will eventually wake up.
It was in 1982 (Part 2)
I am asuming good faith here. However you must accept that there isn't any controversy over the year the first lethal injection in the United States occurred. Although the History Channel state 1983, every other source states 1982. This would suggest that someone at the HC has just made a typo when entering dates.
You said in your addition to the article that all HCplusers it. I'm am interested to know what it would take to prove you when these executions took place. As soon as I can (there is a strike today at uni) I will get a scan of the New York Times article about the execution. I have also found the Boston Globe article from 1982 on ProQuest. Would you accept it if I went to the extreme of finding Charles Brooks's death certificate? Evil Monkey∴Hello 21:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
--This is a little reply as an anonymous user here. Death certificates and birth certificates a NOT always 100% accurate. Take my grandmother as an example for a moment. She has found two separate birth certificates for her name. No, they aren't for different people. All the information on them are describing her; however, one says she was born in August, the other says she was born in October... TWO YEARS after the one that says August. Something similar could have occured in this case. ~Anonymous--
This is a reply by the user Ahnighito, the person who first brought this issue to attention. I am very much dissapointed in the fact Evil Monkey is continuously changing the appropriate edit when this is a date that is unconfirmed. As I recall, this is against Wikipedia rules and should therefore cease immediately. We are here to provide the correct information and if we cannot do that, then provide both sides of the argument. Mr. Andre has already stated that he edited the article to credit the History Channel with the other date. You, Evil Monkey, have no right whatsoever in correcting the edits of someone who has more authority on this website. Also, for your precious information. It is not only the History Channel that is stating its 1983. You're obviously turning a blind eye to every single website out there that does not say 1982 which is not a professional way of doing things. Do you realize you are arguing with someone who has a Ph.D in History? Do you realize you are arguing with a network whose historians have probably researched this issue more than you ever have? Kid, you're not even 20 years old yet. Call if age discrimination if you will, but you should respect your elders. Second of all, my birthday happens to be December 7, 1983 and I know for a fact Brooks was executed on the same date and year. Do not try to tell me different. I have rearched the events of my birthday since I was 10 years old. (Currently I'm 21). The only time ever that I have seen the execution date as 1982 is when you brought it up. So what if Texas' website says 1982? So what if the New York Times says 1982? The point is there are two different dates floating about and both should be mentioned. Now quit being a childish brat. The way you're acting is just like the public schools refusing to teach both sides of the Origin of Life Argument. This is not vandalism, as you've said to me before. This is correcting mistakes that should not be on a site that people depend on for information.
oh really? The history Channel doesn't disagree? They sure do on the documentary of execution methods and on this URL, asshole. http://www.historychannel.com/tdih/tdih.jsp?category=general&month=10272964&day=10272972 Now let the correct/debated date be posted and quit being a bitch about it.
I'd just like to comment here that I feel sorry for, but commend, those on the 1982 side who had to spend valuable time debating this... There has to be a better way of resolving disputes than this. We need tinfoil-hat detectors or something... --Gantlord 17:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Procedure
The "procedure" as described on the present page refers specifically to how lethal injection is practiced in the US. What about other countries? M
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