v • d • e This article is within the scope of WikiProject Chicago , which aims to improve all articles or pages related to Chicago or the Chicago metropolitan area. v • d • e This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture , a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. v • d • e This article is within the scope of WikiProject Illinois , a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Illinois on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. Featured List Strategy
- List all Landmarks from the Landmarks list in our table.
- Add references to each one linking to its individual page.
- Add NRHP and NHL dates and citations where applicable.
- Beef up intro.
- Add a few pix.
- For any redlinks create very brief stub to make list look good as a WP:FLC.
- List all new stub creations WikiProject_Chicago page at new pages and stubs in need of work.
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
Here's a result of a query of properties on the National Register in Chicago, along with the dates they were listed:
Reference: "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places . National Park Service. 2007-01-23 . http://www.nr.nps.gov/ .
Some of these names might not agree with the Wikipedia names, especially those that have a person's name in there. The National Register database lists last name first, while Wikipedia articles tend to list the first name first. Also, I don't know how many of these are Chicago Landmarks. I figure this can provide some help toward making the list, though. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
similar article at Landmarks of Chicago
Hi all, dumb question, what will happen to the distinct page Landmarks of Chicago as part of this improvement project? Maybe some of that can be useful...? Thanks... --- User:scbomber (no worries -- only bombs in netrek 05:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Splitting this article?
I note the comments directly above however this article is now almost 100kbs in size and quite unwieldy. Can I suggest we split this article by moving the table List of landmarks to overwrite the list that is at the page List of landmarks in Chicago and pointing in this article (using see main article ) to that page - that will overcome the valid point made by ChicagoPimp above and also adjust the size of both articles to be workable? I would be happy to do this for you - let me know your thoughts.-- VS talk 22:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay - have been bold and adjuseted both articles which reduces this one to a workable size and sets up List of landmarks in Chicago for potential featured list status.-- VS talk 01:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ahmmm that's your call Tony - no offence taken. I was trying to help with some sound decision making relating to the size of the Chicago Landmark article - points to which I note in the following... (1) Gallery was only set up by me to retain the images somewhere for the time being or so that the pictures could be adjusted perhaps in the format shown in this FA article - or they could go to a gallery on commons with a pointer on this page however with respect the area quoted by you as policy is in fact not currently active and is no longer relevant - see top of that page? ; (2) I understand the list article did not have a particularly impressive lead but that could be fixed quite easily, and finally but most importantly (3) this article will almost certainly have to be split to reach WP:FA and probably even WP:GA simply because to pass the first (and in most cases the second) editors must follow the WP:MOS. Part of that Manual of Style includes the policy that articles over 100KB (and this article is already well over that size before the extra details are added) almost certainly should be divided up Cheers!-- VS talk 18:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
(posting copy of talk page detail here for centralised record) **The intention was always to make this a WP:FL. The text may have trouble at WP:GA. As far as WP:FLC the format is good with sidebar picks and brief intro. WP:FA is a whole other animal. I am inquiring whether the listy article would have a chance at WP:GAC's talk page. If not, it will go straight to WP:FLC where except for preponderent redlinks it probably has a good shot. TonyTheTiger 18:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. let me know if this reversion is stable or contentious because we should blank the separate list for speedy deletion if so. TonyTheTiger 18:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing is contentious with me Tony - blank what you need to. However whether you/we are going to FA or FL is not the issue - am I missing the main point or are you? - Tell me how do you/we get past the massive problem of breach of MOS policy with page size if you present this page at WP:FLC?-- VS talk 18:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Other info
Not sure where this would go, with this article probably. Obviously, the landmark process in Chicago (as in other major cities) is especially politically charged and often generates significant controversey. Such as:
"In Chicago, a lawsuit challenging the city's landmarks ordinance has been filed in response to historic district designations. I believe it is presently known as "Albert C. Hanna and Carol C. Mrowka vs. the City of Chicago, the Commission on Chicago Landmarks,... etc.". It's a lengthy complaint containing many arguments. Among them are the suggestion that historic district designations are a tool for racial segregation. It also claims that historic district designations are being used as an improper substitution for failed downzoning attempts. It also claims that the criteria used to justify proposed landmark status are so broad that they are meaningless and really don't exclude any structure anywhere. This is all of particular concern in a place like Chicago where machine politics and "aldermanic prerogative" have a history of making a mockery of rule of law."
-From Historic district talk page.
This is but one example. To be thorough and NPOV this side of Chicago landmarks should be shown as it is not a fringe minority view or anything. IvoShandor 21:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
--I do believe this would be excellent material for the yet-to-be-created Commission on Chicago Landmarks page (maybe some of the detail on criteria could be there too, with a "main article" reefer here? User:scbomber (only bombs in netrek) 15:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Some suggestions
I see you are aiming for FL status and have been discussing whether to have an article and a list, or keep the current combined one.
The WP:FLC ask for
It could be argued that the text before the list constitutes the lead and is neither concise nor a summary. However, there are other FL with longish leads (e.g. List of United States Navy ratings and United States Navy enlisted rates). Do you intend to write more on the subject of Chicago Landmarks? If so, having a separate article will allow for expansion, which I wouldn't recommend if combined with the list. Moving the list out to a dedicated article would currently leave this as a short article but I don't know enough about GA if that concerns you. Certainly, it would be quite acceptable for an FL to have just a paragraph or two of lead, and refer to this article as the "main". If you decide to put forward this article as an FL, then there may be objections to its name not being obviously a list. See also List guideline.
Recent similar FLs include:
- Grade I listed buildings in Bristol
- List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
- List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Avon
The last one (Avon) includes
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