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Sound format
Can user have a look to Wikipedia talk:Sound . I'm not conviced that this change is a good thing and I don't think it has received large support. Ericd 12:15, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(moved this down) A discussion about this is now at Wikipedia_talk:Sound#MP3_on_Wikipedia, announced here, at goings on and the mailing list -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 02:52, 2004 Jul 17 (UTC)
Here are some comments about three topics: patent and copyright, installed base, and Wikipedia users.
- I don't know a thing about patent law in any country, but I seriously doubt that Wikipedia would violate any MP3 patent by uploading, storing and downloading files that are encoded in MP3. Likely, there are patents covering things like algorithms and hardware for encoding and decoding the files, but licenses and fees would be the responsibility of the individual users who do those things, not of Wikipedia. Also, Wikipedia might violate copyright if the files contain copyrighted information, so diligence to avoid that would continue to be necessary --- no matter whether the material is encoded in MP3, OGG, WAV or any other format. To summarize, I believe that patent and copyright issues, while important to other discussions, have no relevance on the choice of format.
- My home and office computers cannot encode or decode OGG files. I have never heard of OGG outside the context of Wikipedia. Can anyone estimate how many computers can play OGG files, and for comparison, how many computers can play WAV files? Using the software that's already installed, without going out and installing a codec. I would bet that less than one percent of home computers connected to the Internet can play OGG files. The figure would be much higher within certain subcultures (someone mentioned the open-software subculture), and perhaps some newer computers have the capability, but within the community at large, it must surely be very low.
- Wikipedia users are very different from Wikipedians. Users who look up the articles that the 'pedians write find Wikipedia from Google and other search engines. They come from all segments of the Internet society, and most of them know very little about installing software. Many might never have done so; they don't know where to find OGG decoders, and even if we tell them, they'll find it much too bothersome to be worthwhile. In contrast, their computers can play WAV files right out of the box. Wikipedia has to make a decision: do we want to include such users, or exclude them? WAV includes them; OGG excludes them.
In my opinion, Wikipedia would do a great disservice to its users to require OGG players. However, if Wikipedia had software to decode OGG files, and then encode them in a choice of formats that Wikipedia users can utilize (with buttons that say things like "click here for a Windows sound file"), there would be no harm in accepting OGG files. Fg2 02:00, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)
Ericd 21:22, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This page to be scrapped
Just to let everyone know, I've been tasked with scrapping this page and rewriting it. There are some glaring ommissions here, and almost a complete lack of how-to information. I need to talk some issues over with wikitech first, but just be aware of what's coming. →Raul654 19:53, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
sound format/appropriate
I think we should not use lossy formats such as ogg, mp3 or the like for audio.
I think we should not use proprietary formats either.
I recommend Shorten/shn, Flawless Audio/flac or mkw.
But I have to ask is storing media our task? there are other sites that already do that... archive.org for example
...that flash idea someone mentioned sounds promising for smaller files.Pedant 21:06, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I think sticking with the OGG only policy is probably wisest, it's in keeping with the free nature of wiki, and the good quality at low bitrates will be nicer to the bandwidth. However, encoding tutorials/guidlines are probably a must for a majority of users, and any sounds linked will need to also link to a page explaining how to get them to play. --Zippedmartin 01:45, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Clips of copyrighted songs?
What's the law about using clips of copyrighted songs? Can you use a short clip without being in violation of copyright? Thanks. Mattingly23 14:30, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Uploaded Vorbis files
I don't understand the motivation for the list of uploaded Ogg Vorbis music clips that was recently pasted into this article. It's absurdly dynamic, incredibly incomplete, and not a proper element of an article on sound guidelines for Wikipedia. If there is a reason to create a complete list, it should be in its own article, like List of Ogg Vorbis music clips. I'd move it myself, but I have no current use for Ogg files and feel someone who thinks it useful should do so. I'm inclined to delete this section, and plan to in a week or two unless someone justifies its inclusion here . — Jeff Q 23:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
MP3s
Is there any consensus about uploaded MP3 files? I noticed this one. My understanding of the current policy is that MP3s are not allowed, but I'm not sure where to bring it up (I don't know of a page like Images for deletion for sound files). Thanks. Wmahan. 18:00, 2004 Sep 5 (UTC)
OK, maybe a "sounds for conversion" category would be useful for keeping track of the sounds that need to be re-enoded as Vorbis. I won't worry about the procedure for deleting media files until they get converted. Wmahan. 18:28, 2004 Sep 5 (UTC)
I have made Category: MP3 sounds to keep track of MP3 files until someone converts them or otherwise removes them. Wmahan. 03:23, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)
User:Etz Haim/Tech Corner
You are invited to review my Tech Corner. Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Etz Haim 06:17, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Redesigning our stance on multimedia
I've started a page, meta:Multimedia to discuss developing a better strategy for encouraging and enabling the use of sounds and videos in wikimedia projects. Among other things, it includes an attempt at a much more user-friendly replacement for this page. Please check it out. - IMSoP 16:44, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
WAV vs FLAC
I think that allowing for WAVs isn't a good policy. WAV is a container which can store stuff in propietary, restricted, audio codecs and we don't want that. It can store audio in a raw uncompressed format, which isn't optimal at all, so we don't want it either. So I suggest using FLAC for the few cases where lossless audio is needed.
Trying to upload MIDIs
Hello all,
I am trying to upload some MIDI files to illustrate the article on the Goldberg Variations. The MIDI files are very small (most of them are 10KB or less) and I have permission from Bachcentral.com to upload them to Wikipedia. However, when I try to upload them I get a message saying "Upload warning ".mid" is not a recommended image file format." and the system won't let me upload them. If anyone could help me out with this I would greatly appreciate it. -spencer195 02:34, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You can hear the files that I wanted to upload here:
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/var1.mid
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/var2.mid
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/var3c1.mid
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/var4.mid
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/var5.mid
...et. al
- http://www.bachcentral.com/gold/goldberg.mid (Complete version)
I think they sound close enough to piano performances for illustrative purposes, and their very small size, plus the fact that they've been cleared for copyright makes me think that they're ideal for Wikipedia. -spencer195 05:35, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Go on don't care for the warning midi is perfect for this. Ericd 22:18, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
But the system won't let me. I think somebody needs to change the Wikipedia software settings so it will allow MIDI files. -spencer195 23:22, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
That was a long discussion for answering only one question (with a "no"). What would be the appropriate channel or list? Hyacinth 20:28, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia already has midi files:
From what I've been able to gather in the three minutes I've been trying to find out, MIDI files seem to be disallowed because of security issues more than anything else, but it's not entirely clear to me at the moment (investigations are on-going ;). I certainly don't think there's any reason to universally disallow them if there isn't a security issue: of course, they're not ideal for all sound, but in many cases they are, since it often doesn't matter exactly what sound is made, so long as the notes are right. --Camembert
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Mikhail Abraham wrote to the Wikitech I mailing list: I have been directed by U
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