Tim Russert is dead. Nandor1 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Eddie Murphy and African-Irish surnames
I don't know how Eddie Murphy got his name Italic textbla bla blaaaa . Only a skilled researcher could establish that, and no one in their right mind would take his or her time to do the research except a member of the family involved.
BUT many African-Americans have Irish names, which seems odd, because there can't have been that many actually Irish slave owners, can there? The big waves of Irish immigration only came at the last 20 years of slavery in the U.S. Scots came over earlier and I would suggest also that some of the names may be not Irish but Scottish in origin. Hard to tell them apart at times.
I would suggest ways some people may have gotten their seemingly Irish surnames.
1) Taking the owner's name upon emancipation, for want of another surname. 2) Taking the name of a Union soldier who freed them? 3) Africans had no surnames that survived slavery, but Irishmen were also slaves and their surnames may have survived since they mostly spoke at least some English. They may have taken the names of the Irish slaves they lived with/married, etc. (English slavers sold as many as 100,000 Irish, as well as some Scots and Englishmen, into slavery, mainly in the Carribbean, but also in North America. Redneck is an African slave term for the sunburnt Irish slaves.)
Banning Lapsed Pacifist
I am not a wikipedia expert, but obviously Lapsed Pacifist is only here to sabotage this page as he continues to try and claim Eddie Murphy to be Irish. If there is any Wikipedia expert or administrator that views this, is there a way to ban Lapsed Pacifist from editing this page? 64.109.253.204
Now according to Lapsed Pacifist and Wikipedia, Ella Fitzgerald, Jimi Hendrix, Billie Holiday, Alex Haley, Ishmael Reed, Alice Walker are Irish-Americans. 64.109.253.204
If Lapsed Pacifist isn't banned from editing this page, than wikipedia is really just a joke. 64.109.253.204
Alphabetical. The lists were alphapbetical by last name.Any help with this would be very much appreciated. As would adding this page to the "lists of Americans by ethnicity" (as Italian-American, Iranian-American, etc are). - johnhpaulin
Alphabetical
People don't read the list as alphabetical in current format I would suggest adopting a lastname, firstname middle initial (if any). This will make it clear, easier to find a name you may be interested in, and Make it easier to place in new names in the proper place. SusanLarson 5 July 2005 06:14 (UTC)
I'm not an expert. I just normally think of alphabetical being about the last name. My personal preference is alphabetical by last name, like it was, but I am just one person. I feel kind of bad that you did all the work to make the lists alphabetical by first name, but now it is how it used to be.
From Literature* Tom Clancy, novelist* James T. Farrell, novelist* F. Scott Fitzgerald, novelist* Cormac McCarthy, novelist* Tim O'Brien, novelist* Flannery O'Connor, short story writer * Eugene O'Neill, playwrightto Literature* Clancy, Tom, Novelist* Farrell, James T, Novelist* Fitzgerald, F. Scott, Novelist* McCarthy, Cormac, Novelist* O'Brien, Tim, Novelist* O'Connor, Flannery, Short story writer * O'Neill, Eugene, PlaywrightThat is how most people naturally want to read a list of names. SusanLarson 5 July 2005 06:35 (UTC)
John Barry, Father of the American Navy
This would more accurately be ascribed to Esek Hopkins, "On December 22, 1775, Esek Hopkins was appointed the Naval Commander-in-Chief, and officers of the Navy were commissioned." Suggest removing it from John Barry and replacing it with "An officer in the Continental Navy and later in the United States Navy" SusanLarson 5 July 2005 06:19 (UTC)
Eddie Murphy
Eddie Murphy is not Irish, Lapsed Pacifist, and you know he is not Irish. Why do you continue to put him on the list? The joke is getting old.
I assure you I am not attempting any "joke". None of the people on this list are Irish nationals, they are United States citizens of Irish descent. If you know of another country where people called Murphy come from, I'd really love to know about it.Lapsed Pacifist 5 July 2005 06:45 (UTC)
Eddie Murphy is African-American.
What makes someone an Irish national? What list are you talking about?
Murphy is part African-American. Many other people on the list have some mixed ancestry. I find your reverts sinister, to say the least. An Irish national is a citizen of Ireland. It's in Europe.Lapsed Pacifist 5 July 2005 06:58 (UTC)
Kevin McBride, Tom Sharkey, P.H. McCarthy, Hugh O'Brien, William O'Dwyer are on the list and they were all born in Ireland.
Eddie Murphy is mostly African-American and there is no way of knowing if he has any Irish ancestry.
His name suggests to me he has at least some Irish ancestry, unless you can prove otherwise. If you want to exclude him because of his mixed ancestry, you would have to apply the same principle to the rest of the list, which would shorten it considerably. Can you prove beyond doubt that every other person on the list is definitely of Irish descent?Lapsed Pacifist 5 July 2005 07:12 (UTC)
Murphy was his slave name.
I presume you mean his family's slave name. You sound confident, so prove it. Otherwise he stays in, along with all the others who are not 100% ethnically Irish.Lapsed Pacifist 5 July 2005 07:22 (UTC)
All the others are known to be Irish. Eddie Murphy is not known to be Irish. The others that are not 100% Irish still know of their Irish heritage, talk of their Irish heritage. Your argument is just ridiclious.Eddie Murphy is just not Irish and there is no proof to him being Irish. There is proof to everyone else on the list to being Irish. You are just being an idiot saying we should take off everyone that is not 100% ethnically Irish. If we put on Eddie Murphy, than why not put the names of every American on the list, for the slim chance they might have some irish roots.
Lapsed, I can prove to you everyone on this list is Irish. You cannot prove that Eddie Murphy is Irish.Lapsed, you haven't responded to this because my point is too good for you to argue. You should just realize when you are wrong and not be childish about it.
Why remove Murphy when no "proof" has been offered for the other entries? Where are the sources for the Irish ancestry of the rest of the list? Who will provide proof, "preferably statements" by themselves, or "a reputable biographer"? And what exactly are the criteria for the list? Would one Irish ancestor be enough? Would a potential entry have to be at least one-sixteenth Irish, or one-eighth?Lapsed Pacifist 7 July 2005 00:42 (UTC)
Proof for all the others is mostly common knowledge and in many cases can be found on there page. Lapsed Pacifist, do you really need proof that John F. Kennedy is Irish? 64.109.253.204
- Remember, an Irish last name is not enough. A lot of people can have them with out ancestry, especially with African-Americans. There are a lot of instances where slaves ended up with the surname of their owners...that doesn't make them Irish. I would also argue that a good standard might be the same that the Native Americans use for whether or not you can receive tribal benefits. That is 1/8th. It means that one of your great grandparents was of that ancestry. Wikibofh 7 July 2005 04:24 (UTC)
- As an alternative, we could use what is used on other lists. If the person's article does not assert the Irish descent, then they would not be included on this list. Wikibofh 7 July 2005 04:45 (UTC)
Hello, I am new here, so perhaps my addition is done incorrectly. I am of Irish descent myself, and I know this, being a 2nd (or 3rd) generation American. All of my grandparents came from Ireland. Now, in examining this page, it seems to me that, without asking the theoretical question "Who is of Irish descent", it is, on this page, anyone with any traceable ancestry to that island, and that some of the names on this page look like people who simply have an Irish (or Irish sounding) last name. Establishing someone’s ancestry takes more than that. Many Americans of East European, Germanic, and French descent, for instance, have Anglicized their names in order to “fit in” better with their new surroundings. African-Americans, in particular, are a difficult subject (in this regard) since, during the period of slavery in the South, slaves were not, contrary to popular opinion, given family names by their masters. Apparently, slave owners wanted to suppress the notion of family ties among their slaves. This is because the owners viewed their slaves as property and wanted to be able to sell them at any time, individually, without creating any undue emotional stress upon, or resistance from, those to whom the sold slave may have been connected by familial bonds. The slaves, in response, secretly gave themselves last names, which they chose, in order to concrete their familial bond. To claim, in other words, that Eddie Murphy, for instance, is of partial Irish descent, merely on the basis of his last name is ridiculous. Perhaps it would be better to ask him if this is true. And to ask, as well, of the others who are listed here if they know of any Irish ancestry on their part?
Okay, and Sean Combs is English, Venus and Vanessa Williams are Welsh,
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