Old edit
I've listed this on Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, as it mostly reads like a HOWTO guide, rather than an encyclopedic discussion of what arborists do. I've removed the most HOWTO-y stuff, but what's left is good information, just written in the wrong style. Someone who understands the issue better should clean things up. Also, the article's condemnation of "topping" seems to be POV. -- Finlay McWalter 04:03, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Topping as verifiable fact not opinion.
Just thought I would point out that the article's "condemnation of topping" is the universal opinion of tree experts around the globe.
We share this opinion due to the demonstratable and verifiable fact that topping harms trees.
For the evidence to support this fact, see the links attached to the bottom of the article.
T. Sorensen ISA Certified Arborist UK
Certified Arborist
I can not find the link to edit the paragraph before the sub-heading "Legal issues." In it "Certified Arborist" has the "C" of certified capitalized but not the "A" of arborist. In the context of that sentence the reference is to the ISA licensed trademark "Certified Arborist," as designated to those who meet and maintain the conditions of the license. Both the "c" and the "a" should be capitalized.
Michael J Swassing ISA Certified Arborist (PN-1173) Seattle, WA USA
Well, dag nub it. I found the edit tab, and changed the capitalization, but then the link when from live to dead. So I changed it back. I'm new to this wiki stuff too. Great article so far. I hope you don't mind me mucking around a bit. - MJSDescription of Arborist
The article lists trees only when it should be all woody plants, some say "trees, shrubs, and vines". It is also a subdiscipline of Horticulture, more then Forestry because it deals with individual plants, or small groupings (e.g. a landscape) where forestry deals with large ecosystems usually for the purpose of. There are industry discussions as to wether Urban Forestry and Utility Right Of Way (ROW) tree work is arboriculture or forestry, because they deal with "a bigger picture".
John Paul Sanborn Consulting Arborist
Also there is some industry concern that the pictures shown do not have the tree worker in proper Personla Protective Eqipment (PPE). In the US, minimal PPE while in the tree includes ANSI approved helmet, safety glasses and ear protection. The industry safty standars are found in ANSI Z133.1-2005 -JPS
I changed Certified Line Clearance Tree Trimmers are the only persons allowed to work within ten feet of an energized conductor. As they are not the only persons to work near power. In my region of Australia an arborist can complete a one day course to work near power, it's called an M31 electrical Awareness ticket and provides us with a variety of distances to work from power depending on voltage that is a lot closer than the standard specified for others. --Eric Frei (talk) 04:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed this Closely related careers include landscapers, tree farmers, and nurserymen. Those professions are closely related because each one utilizes much of the same technology, education and training. It reads perfectly fine without it and will help reduce the conflict where those people debate that they are arborists. I would like to see all of the 3 professions mentioned there know in detail the concepts of CODIT, forces of rigging, aerial rescue etc. An arborist may share common knowledge of horticulture but applies it in a specialist fashion to trees. There's a vast difference between pruning a shrub, a rose and a 100' tree. --Eric Frei (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I changed
A Certified Arborist (or 'CA') is a professional who has over three years experience and has passed a rigorous written test (International Society of Arboriculture-isa-arbor.org). Certified Arborist Technicians, (or 'CAT') is the designation given after a less rigorous exam, written or verbal, and a short climbing test. Other designations include Municipal Specialist, Utility Specialist, and the most difficult credential to achieve; the Board Certified Master Arborist (BCMA).
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Arborists gain certification and qualifications in a variety of way depending on location such as country.
In Australia education and training is stream lined country wide and referred to as AQF. Whether the training be taken from private or public colleges the concept is that it is uniform and to a standard. There are varying levels of qualification but it is generally assumed and warranted that one cannot refer to themselves as an arborist until they are at a minimum Level 3 which covers all the skill requirements both practical and theoretical pertaining to tree work and general tree management. Some of the subjects studied and competencies achieved at Level 3 would be, Fell Small trees, Operate and maintain chainsaws, Operate machinery and equipment, Provide information on plants and their culture, Co-ordinate worksite activities, Carry out workplace OHS procedures, Maintain and monitor environmental work practices, Undertake standard climbing technique, Fell large trees, Implement a tree maintenance program, Implement a tree pruning program, Remove trees in confined spaces, Perform specialist ammenity pruning, Undertake complex tree climbing, Implement a tree protection program, Sample soils and analysis results, Undertake aerial rescue.
Level 5 is called a Diploma and Level 6 is an Advanced Diploma. Many times councils can enforce reports be written by minimum standard Level 5 qualified arborists or work be done by minimum level 3 arborists. Subjects studied become more concise and precise like, Develop and manage a chemical use strategy, Provide specialist advice to clients, Prepare estimates, quotes and tenders Prepare reports, Develope a strategy for the management of large pests, Manage plant health Monitor and manage soils, Negotiate and monitor contracts / commercial agreements, Plan, implement and review a quality assurance program, Assess trees, Manage staff, Establish and maintain the enterprise OHS program.
In USA a Certified Arborist (or 'CA') is a professional who has over three years experience and has passed a rigorous written test (International Society of Arboriculture-isa-arbor.org). Certified Arborist Technicians, (or 'CAT') is the designation given after a less rigorous exam, written or verbal, and a short climbing test. Other designations include Municipal Specialist, Utility Specialist, and the most difficult credential to achieve; the Board Certified Master Arborist (BCMA).
As I felt the article pro USA and not definitive in global differences of training and terminology.--Eric Frei (talk) 05:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I also gave qualifications it's own heading, next I will work on breaking down the types of arborists and tree surgeons, there is distinct differences people need to know.--Eric Frei (talk) 05:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed this whole sentence and also added a small note to let people know not all arborists climb. I see no need for this, all jobs are best left to professionals and there are many strict laws pertaining to working at heights and imposing as a tradesperson when you are not qualified or licenced as one.
Pruning of large trees is best left to professionals who carry Workman's Compensation and Liability Insurance, and who are familiar with the risks involved in this work (International Society of Arboriculture, Tree Care Industry Association, various Contractors Licensing Boards).Advantages of using a certified arborist over a non-certified tree worker, or 'tree trimmer', is that "Arborists have 'know why' as well as 'know how'..."(John O'Shea, Consulting Arborist-). Thus, an arborist can recommend cultural practices as well as implement them. (Certified Arborist Exam Study Guide-Introduction- Second Edition, 1995- ISA Publication). --Eric Frei (talk) 05:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Still needs work
Going through the history, there have been quite a few changes since the last time I worked on it, some for the better, but many for the worse. I realize my last edit was incomplete and, well...not the greatest, but this page needs alot of cleanup and a more neutral tone. The whole "legal issues"? Why is that really in there? "Brush pilots"? You need to understand this is not a place for colloquialisms, it is an encyclopedia entry. I shouldn't complain, though, and be too lazy to work on it; I suppose I'll try.--Trees4est 14:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC) Okay, I did another overhaul, cutting out some old, putting in some old, and putting in some new. --Trees4est 19:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Photos
I think it is disappointing that you removed the other photos. They were clearer and really showed some context to the work of a tree surgeon. If notbody objects I shall put them back. However, I think your other changes were generally good, although the article has lost its international flavour and seems to be only being written from a European perspective. Maustrauser 23:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC) One of the main reasons I placed another photo up was because the original photographs showed someone working without the proper protective apparel that a professional arborist should use, i.e. hard hat, hearing protection, and eye protection. I know the photo isn't the greatest, I'm sure I can find a
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