Page Clean Up
The Cornell page is in dire need of a major overhaul. It frequently lacks sources. There are numerous randomly inserted factoids. While pictures are not necessary as User:Xtreambar seems to imply, the page could use more. As an Ivy League school, this page gets a high volume of traffic. As such, it should seem all the more clear that this article should have a higher standard of quality than what currently exists. I suggest looking at a page such as University of Virginia (Yes, I know that UVa is not an Ivy) --128.84.16.90 01:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- I concur, "About Cornell" is mainly a dumping group of University factoids. --Xtreambar 02:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- The page is now, no longer in such a painful need of clean-up. Though more is needed, I have removed the "Clean-Up Needed" Banner. --Xtreambar 03:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Pictures Clean-Up
Does anyone have any good photos that could fill in the blanks left by images that were removed from this article? --Xtreambar 22:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Clara Dickson Hall
There was a separate article about Clara Dickson hall, which evidently originally claimed the building housed 1000 students. It also claimed to be the largest dorm on the eastern half of the US; clearly this is incorrect since UMich has at least four dormitories with capacity in excess of 450, and the USNA's Bancroft Hall is over eight times as large as Clara Dickson. If Clara Dickson Hall has any significance (largest hall, etc.), it should be noted in this article. Presently, Clara Dickson Hall redirects here, but I will nominate it for deletion if nothing substantial appears here in the next week or so. Fsiler 11:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Queries
Can someone please explain the following: "the only university-wide requirements for a baccalaureate degree are to pass a swimming test and take two physical education courses". Does this mean that, say for example, if you wish to complete a degree in egnineering you have to pass a swimming test? --Commander Keane 11:56, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Myth about swim requirement
Someone with more time than me should write something about myths surrounding the swim requirement. The usual story I hear is that some rich kid drowns and his/her rich parents donates lots of money with the condition that all graduates be required to learn how to swim. There are many variations of this, and other schools with the same requirement have stories about it too. The actual reason seems to have been dug up by Snopes.com (among others) . --C S July 2, 2005 07:09 (UTC)
I've always thought it was a way for Cornell to get people to take swimming classes. Ll 20:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Campus: Urban
I have been to Cornell many times (my brother went there), and I must say that there is nothing urban about the area (Ithaca or the campus). I am not going to remove the "urban" label, but would ask someone who goes there if they would?
Re: Cayuga's Waiters edit
Are we really going to get into listing and describing individual student groups on the main page? According to the student activities office, there are over 700 of them. I think it would be better to put this description in a separate article, and put it in the (already existing) Category:Cornell_University category. Kime1R 12:52, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Did a Harvardian write the hockey section?
The rivalry between Cornell and Harvard has been quite vigorous in recent years.
While it might not be NPOV, I think it's fair to say that the rivalry lately has been at least somewhat one-sided, in at least two senses. Firstly, from what I've heard, Harvard students don't pay nearly as much attention to the rivalry as Cornell students do. More quantitatively, Cornell has gone 15-3-1 (if I count correctly) in regular season games vs. Harvard since the 95-96 season http://www.tbrw.info/ecac/ecac_h2hbyteam.html. Kime1R 21:34, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Additions of user 24.6.177.206
It seems to me that several of the changes made from the IP 24.6.177.206 have NPOV issues. Also, as there have been reverts back and forth, it's probably worth putting on the record (ie. on this discussion page) a dialogue regarding whether to describe Cornell as private or as private and public. My vote: private and public. Kime1R 06:43, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Prestige" issue
Every university-related article in Wikipedia seems to witness a gradual escalation of the nature and extent of the institution's "prestige" by one measure or another. IMHO Cornell's prestige is self-evident given its faculty, rankings, memberships, and history. It is not necessary to belabor the point by repeating the word in breathtaking superlatives. -choster 06:20, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oh dear, what a terrible circular conversation you people seem to have got yourselves tangled up in. It does look like all those anonomous anti-Cornell jibes came from the same person... I could check by looking at the talk page history, but can't really be bothered. Anyway, here's my 10 cent contribution: Cornell is not as famous as Harvard et al, outside the US at least. But fame depends upon all sorts of factors, and some very famous universities are not what they were (I hear the Sorbonne isn't competing so well these days). Prestige is a subjective thing and not at all worth mentioning in an encyclopedia article, but for any fans of the genius Nabokov, Cornell's status is hugely elevated by his having lectured there. Palefire 13:22, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
First off, outside the U.S., Cornell is considered far more prestigious than Brown, Dartmouth, or Penn. The London Times rankings verify this. While your chums may feel otherwise, I'll stick with the London Times rankings, thanks.
Second, within the U.S., Cornell takes a backseat in prestige to only a handful of schools, and within the Ivies, only to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. If you looked only at the private colleges at Cornell, its acceptance rate would be around 20% and its median SAT would be over 1420 - higher than that of Brown and on par with Columbia and Penn. Many of my friends chose Cornell over other Ivies and pseudo Ivies such as Duke and Northwestern and even Stanford. I chose it over Penn and Dartmouth myself.
I couldn't agree more with the person who wrote the last comment. I would like to add, however, that the real 'failiures' are those who consider that it is a 'faliure' to have to go to Cornell just because one could not get into MIT, Stanford, Harvard, or the likes for undergraduate education (regardless of where you are from--I'm from an asian country, one that is as competitive if not more than Singapore). As mentioned by the previous commenter, Cornell does take a backseat to Hahvahd, Yale, and Princeton in the matter of overall prestige. But seriously, no one that I know (even from Singapore or India) would want to go to Yale or Harvard for 'double e,' or any other kind of engineering, over Cornell (I concede that they might choose to go to Princeton). As I was applying for summer internships, there were companies such as Xerox / Parc, that only accepted students from MIT, Stanford, Cornell, and Berkeley. And as far as graduate school application goes, it's actually an advantage being from Cornell and not from Stanford, MIT, or Caltech. Most of those schools like to obtain doctoral candidates from other SIMILARLY prestigious schools--and this indeed gave many Cornellian (even international ones) top picks for MIT, Stanford, Caltech, and Berkeley (trust me, I know because I was amongst those people =). Therefore, I re-emphasize my point that it is not a 'failiure' or 'life-and-death' (or rather not a death) situation if you cannot go to your top choice of schools regardless of who you are (race, colour, country of origin, or religion). On second thought, addressing the singaporean who commented, your cousins might just end up at Cornell for graduate school after finishing Princeton or Harvard or whatever, and that's something to be proud of because Cornell is very hard to get into for a PhD.And to those Europeans who have some beef with Cornell's reputation, with a few exceptions (such as Cambridge and Oxford) most of your top-tier institutions are ranked lower than Cornell by any standard of world rank, and I realize there are a couple of standards. I do agree that self-righteous and self-congratulative writing should not be included in the article; however, there is also no need for any negative remarks from those who have no standing in the matter or from those who have nothing other than subjective comments to make their argument. Ll 20:04, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
The prestige section is entirely without references to any sources, studies, articles, opinion polls, or hell, the reading of tea leaves. Further, the history of Cornell's logo -- they changed from the University seal to the "big red box," back to the seal -- is hardly worth an entire section in an encyclopedic entry. The section reeks of subjectivity and has been removed. (Oh, and by the way, my Singaporean chums, Cornell has more students from Singapore than any school outside Singapore itself.) JDoorjam 22:14, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
That this issue is clearly controversial is not sufficient grounds for an entire section to be deleted. Rereading the section of interest
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