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CNN has images of all five stamps. Maybe someone familiar with Wiki imaging could upload and add to this article...?
Memin is not a Afro mexican boy, its a cuban.
There have been allegations of racist imagery raised... there are picture-perfect examples of the Mammy in there...
I am just wondering. I don't buy the comic, but is it still being written/edited in any way? particularly, are there any new numbers, or are they just reprints?
In case some needs more information, i have in my own forum ( http://foros.kaliman.org.mx) a section dedicated to memin :http://foros.kaliman.com.mx/discus/messages/41/4029.html?1121182893 , http://foros.kaliman.com.mx/discus/messages/41/4536.html?1111703855 and http://foros.kaliman.com.mx/discus/messages/41/10219.html?1120717568 . Sorry.. it,s only in spanish.. But you can also found some info about mexican comics. Aanother mexican comic with black protagonist were "Fuego" (fire), where the heroes where the black people of Haiti http://foros.kaliman.com.mx/discus/messages/41/9744.html?1119710786 and other Comic was "Rarotonga" . All were published by the same editorial of Memin. In case you wonder... "Kaliman" wa also a very popular mexican comic (http://www.kaliman.com.mx) Nanahuatzin 00:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello, my contributions to this article are the point of Memin similarity to pickaninny stereotype, and the correction of the original writing, pointing with a lot of ignorance about inexistence of organized racial discrimination in Mexico´s history. This last point was erased, but because nobody, in good faith, wants to feed up conflict between mexican-americans and afro-americans, or give the wrong impression we, all mexicans, are racist I accepted it.
But lies like the unconcern of Speedy Gonzalez sterotype by the majority if not all mexican people are not acceptable. If the censor wants to make his/her point then must show arguments. -posmodern2005
I have no interest in "censoring" the article or making Speedy Gonzales look good. I imagine the people who have reverted your comment several times before feel the same way. Please do not jump to conclusions. - furrykef (Talk at me) 7 July 2005 09:44 (UTC)
Well, if it was not just you then are a group of very touchy individuals about the matter. What a coincidence! And you don´t say nothing about the "coincidence" of the disappearance of Memin controversy from Vicente Fox´s article.
You don´t provide a source but want a source from me? Well my source is http://foros.eluniversal.com.mx/foros_sr_detalle_foro_limit.php?p_id_tema=3550&p_apartir=0&p_opinionesxpag=15&p_pag=1, where a lot of mexican people say "gringos" are nuts to feel offended if they have Speedy Gonzalez.
Don´t try to give me lessons about making an encyclopedia if you can´t give me lessons of honesty. Now, I´m not just writing an article but denouncing a censorship attempt.
It´s not about "making Speedy Gonzales look good" but "making Memin look good because Speedy Gonzalez looks good too (and don´t offend "many")". -posmodern2005 P.S.: By the way, I keep record of all changes in article and discussion.
Please: The Mexican goverment make that statetmen about Speedy. What mexicans thinks, is another issue. I personally, feel good about speedy, he always was winning and mocking to "el gato gringo"... but this was in arto due to changes made on the fly by the mexicans while dubing the cartoon.. The english dialogues were a bit different, so probalby we are not speaking of the same things. But there is also a lot of mexicnas, specially intelectuals, that fell ofended by the cartoon. Nanahuatzin 7 July 2005 16:58 (UTC)
Hi Furrykef, I agree with you, please. do not confusse my with the one is complaining about censorship. I think it,s important to keep the the response of the Mexican goverment, while indicating that not all mexican aggre. I whish i could provide a source to copy of the declaration in English. If i found one, i would change the link. Meanwhile, i would apreciate any corrections to my aditions. Although i have been working in the wikipedia for more than a year (see aztecs), my english is still not good enough. :( Nanahuatzin 7 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
A note on capitalization
I noticed somewhere among the recent edits someone went through and capitalized "Black" throughout the article, apparently by analogy with how I capitalized "Mexican" throughout. Here's my opinion: racial group names are not capitalized (white, black, hispanic, etc.), but nationalities, when they refer to the nation's proper name, are (Mexican, Japanese, Indian, Roman, etc.). That's because proper nouns are always capitalized (it's "Mexico" and not "mexico"), and these names are forms of those nouns. Some people do capitalize all racial group names, which is not necessarily incorrect (but seems overly formal to me), but I notice that the word "mexican", without the capitalization, keeps creeping in, which is incorrect, so I felt I had to comment. - furrykef (Talk at me) 7 July 2005 19:01 (UTC)
People are still using the decapitalized form. Are you guys doing it just to annoy me or what? This is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia must use proper English. I understand that this may be difficult if you don't speak English natively, so grammar and such I can let slide because it is difficult to grasp; but when I have already pointed out a capitalization error that is easy to correct, it is not too much to ask that you stop making it. - furrykef (Talk at me) 20:16, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
"Bad meaning"
What is this "bad meaning"? Is it confusion with penguin or something else? - furrykef (Talk at me) 7 July 2005 19:04 (UTC)
Furrykef:
You have the same talent of mexican president, Vicente Fox, to make things clear and arrange your own mistakes (yes, I´m sarcastic), no matter you´re not mexican (that waht you say).
Who are "we" and what you mean with "the way Wikipedia does"? You are member of the "Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation", do you have some official charge here? I write here because Wikipedia says it´s the first step to dispute resolution. But if you ("WE") still act with the unfairness and dishonesty you show from the beginning I´ll try to contact the Foundation myself.
I think of Wikipedia as a place of intellectual honesty, not censorship and hipocrisy.
The article of Speedy Gonzalez you mention as your source was changed too, sanitized of any controversial angle. Another coincidence. Who´s the next? Frito Bandito´s article? (I keep record too).
You say "the declaration you are editing was made by the Mexican government; it doesn't matter if Mexicans agree with it, it is what the government said". Seems right, but then why all the changes in the sense of an official statement of mexican government? This is the evolution of the statement in the article with your ("WE") strange way to edit (and censor):
- In June 2005, as part of a "History of Mexican Comics" series, the Mexican Postal Service (SEPOMEX) issued a series of stamps featuring the character of Memín. The stamps were deemed offensive by a number of African-American community groups and politicians in the United States, amongst whom Jesse Jackson, sparking the Mexican government to assert that Memín had done a lot to oppose racism, and pointing out the Warner Brothers' character Speedy Gonzales was never interpreted as offensive by Mexicans.
- In June 2005, as part of a "History of Mexican Comics" series, the Mexican Postal Service (SEPOMEX) issued a series of stamps featuring the character of Memín. The stamps were deemed offensive by a number of African-American community groups and politicians in the United States, amongst whom Jesse Jackson, sparking the Mexican government to assert that Memín had done a lot to oppose racism, and pointing out the Warner Brothers' character Speedy Gonzales was never interpreted as offensive by many Mexicans.
- In June 2005, as part of a "History of Mexican Comics" series, the Mexican Postal Service (SEPOMEX) issued a series of stamps featuring the character of Memín. The stamps were deemed offensive by a number of African-American community groups and politicians in the United States, amongst whom Jesse Jackson, sparking the Mexican government to assert that Memín had done a lot to oppose racism, and state that the Warner Brothers' character Speedy Gonzales
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