Please put comments about the name Jesus here in Talk:Yeshua (name)/Jesus .
Jesus is a Greek name, Not Hebrew
See Iasus a typical ancient Greek name, as also is Iason (Jason) and Iesous (Jesus) all very Greek names, all meaning the Healer from Iaso the Greek goddess of Healing, purely Greek and not Hebrew at all. 72.186.213.96 (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
The Catholic Encyclopedia has the integrity to say that early church fathers considered the name Iesous to be of Greek origin: St. Cyril of Jerusalem interprets the word as equivalent to soter (Cat., x, 13; P.G., XXXIII, 677). This last writer, however, appears to agree with Clement of Alexandria in considering the word Iesous as of Greek origin (Paedag., III, xii; P.G., VIII, 677) Wikipedia should show this same integrity and include this in the introduction of the article on Jesus, with footnote reference to the Catholic Encyclopedia . Wikipedia should say that some church fathers considered the name Iesous to be of Greek origin, not Hebrew.72.186.213.96 (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeshua is english
Yeshua is english. Since there is no J in the hebrew alphabet his name is Yeshau and that is english. Yeshua is the english version of his real name. Yeshau is pronunced that way in ENGLISH!!!--The K.O. King (talk) 23:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
His Name Is Not Jesus
You should change the name of this article from Jesus to Yeshua (Jesus). There is no J in the Hebrew alphabet therefore there is no way his name can be Jesus his name is Yeshua.--The K.O. King 13 November 2007
Greek Origin of Name of Jesus
That the word Jesus (Iesous) is indeed first found in ancient Greek Mythology, derived from the Greek goddess of healing Iaso, this belongs in the first paragraph of Wikipedia's article on Jesus where the origin of the name Jesus is presented. (Source p.816 Liddell and Scott) 72.186.213.96 13:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A common Greek name was Iesous in ancient times - it is not Hebrew at all - it was just a nearest sound-alike to Joshua. The definition of Etymology is the study of the origin of words and their changing usage in time. - the word Iesous first appears in Greek Mythology as a derivative of Iaso the healer. 72.186.213.96 03:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
This user has been trolling this topic for a few days. It's been suggested no one respond to his 'arguments' and he'll go away. The article is not going to be changed to support his views.Jstanierm 05:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
For anyone watching this discussion, the same nonsense is being pursued over at Iaso, which can be edited by IP users. See also the "discussion" at Talk:Iaso. --Akhilleus (talk) 06:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There are dozens of religious websites, over a hundred, that discuss the connection of the name Jesus with Iaso. Search Iaso Iesous and you will see them all. So don't bury your head in the sand, and Blavatsky is hardly the only source for this, there are over a hundred sites presenting it. Also, Liddell and Scott are prefectly clear p.816 the entry Iaso-Ieso that the genitive meaning of Ieso is exactly Iesous I-E-S-O-U-S. On p.824 Liddell and Scott point out that the name was later used for Jesus (New Testament) or Joshua (Septuagint). but the word first appears meaning of Iaso the healer. 72.186.213.96 14:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC) 72.186.213.96 14:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Slrubenstein | Talk 22:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Catholic Encyclopedia says Jesus is Greek Name
The Catholic Encyclopedia entry for the name Jesus says that church fathers (Clement and Cyril) considered Jesus to be a name of Greek origin , not Hebrew. For balance Wikipedia should also include this fact in the first paragraph of the article here on Jesus where the origin of the name Jesus is treated. 72.186.213.96 22:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Section was moved to the relevant talk page at Talk:Yeshua (name)/Jesus#Greek Origin of Name of Jesus. Erudecorp ? * 08:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Jesus' name Iesous is from Iaso
See Wikipedia entry for Greek goddess Iaso, which is the true origin of the name Iesous. - Iesous means healer in Greek Mythology. - This should be in the article as the real origin of the name Jesus , not Yeshu which is just a sound-alike name.
It should be inserted at the end of the article's first paragraph like this: According to the Lexicon of the Greek Language of Liddell and Scott, page 816, the ancient Greek name Iesous is related to the name of the Greek goddess of healing Iaso from Greek Mythology. 72.186.213.96 21:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
All three, Iaso, Iason, and Iesous, are related to each other and all three to the Greek verb iasthai . That is what the Catholic Encyclopedia clearly is saying if you look at the rest of the paragraph that you curiously omitted, and Liddell and Scott also directly ties Iaso to Iesous. 72.186.213.96 02:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have studied ancient Greek for four years at a private, accredited, secular, research university. I say this not to boast but to prevent ad hominem attacks against me since I doubt you have can claim to have been better educated on the subject, IP 72.186.213.96.
1. Your claims constitute original research and as such do 'not' belong on wikipedia. This is irregardless of whether your views are correct or not.
2. Your claims are not correct. C.Logan has been very clear, and several analogies have been presented. You have said that the genitive may be used as a nominative. This is false. It may be used as a subject of a sentence, but you conflate your terminology. Davidson and Johnson are not genitives. English has no cases.
You're making illogical conclusions based on faulty assumptions. I will give you another example to demonstrate your reasoning.
The English 'pan' is phonetically equal to a certain grammatical form of a Greek word. Therefore, the words are the same in regards to etymology. (pan = all, everything)
The Hebrew word 'Yeshua' when transliterated to 'Iesous' is phonetically equal to a certain grammatical form of a Greek word. Therefore, the words are the same in regards to etymology.
You must assume that for two things to be etymologically similar then being phonetically equal is a sufficient condition.
Logically, if you believe this: IF (two things are phonetically equal) THEN (those words are etymologically related) then you must believe IF (those words are not etymologically related) THEN (those two things are not phonetically equal) That is a basic rule of logic called modus tollens.
You can see the absurdity. Many words are related linguistically, but they need not be completely phonetically similar.Jstanierm 05:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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