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I just want to add my two cents here as a Cooley alumnus. While I would have certainly made it to several law schools with my 3.3 GPA, the fact Cooley had a liberal admission policy made the choice to attend Cooley a rather easy one. The fact they had a year-round curriculum allowed me to finish my law school education in two years. The fact they had an extensive internship and externship program allowed me to hit the ground running. I struggled with the California bar, but so do most law school graduates. But once I passed it on the third try, I found that the competitive atmosphere at Cooley really prepared me for the jungle that is law practice. I have practiced in California for 6 years now with no incidents. Like most Cooley grads, I don't have any illusions I'll be able to get a job at a boutique firm, but like most Cooley grads, I have a chip on my shoulder, like I have to constantly prove myself.
I really think it matters little the argument re the rankings. At this stage in my career, I think it's my resume AS A LAWYER that controls whether a client that walks in the door retains my services. Cooley sure has had its share of distinguished alumni, and take a backseat to no one. My Torts Professor, the late Gerald Boston, published two books on Damages;
My Professor, Dorean Koenig, teaches Constitutional Law, and is a very active participant in the Innocence Project, having worked extensively in the move to reverse the sentences of several drug offenders who have been in prison since the 1970s. She co-authored a book of International Women's Rights, a book in which I collaborated on a chapter. She got me involved in the case of Commonwealth v. Chapman in Kentucky, a case involving a 17 year old sentenced to die. I traveled to Kentucky and worked on the case for 6 months. I am glad to report that his sentence was finally commuted by the governor. My Professor Brian Brooks also got a capital case overturned on Ineffective Assistance of Counsel in Chicago, Illinois. My Property Professor John Rooney, graduated Second in his class at Harvard Law School ahead of one Ralph Nader. I don't think Cooley has anything to apologize for.
- The Thomas M. Cooley Law School has consistently been credited with the status of "the ultimate TTT" by internet message boards similar to xoxohth.com.
"Similar to" because most/a majority of derogatory remarks made of the school will be found on elitist, and for the most part, despicable discussion boards LIKE xoxohth.com. It is important to consider the target audience and members of the particular forum (elitist, jerks, unfounded remarks). An important element of what the board is like as a whole. There are many sites and forums (i.e., LSD.com) that refer to the xoxohth.com site as such; therefore, it is not strictly my POV or opinion.
I put the ranking back in because it does not make this page POV. The ranking totally relevant to this page. Many Wikipedia pages display opinions of people or organizations, however, you can feel free to include a criticism of the ranking. Iamblueman4 23:31, 5 September 2005 (UTC
- Cooley offers its own ranking system on its website in which it ranks itself the 18th best law school in the nation -- superior to Stanford Law School and the University of Chicago Law School, among others.
I think some clarification is a necessary addition to this bullet point. I know that many criticize Judge Brennan for his Judging the Law Schools book, but that book allows any student to compare certain data from any ABA accredited law school. The data are taken directly from each school's annual reports to the ABA, which are published each year as part of the LSAC-ABA Guide to Law Schools. The data was placed in a searchable format on Cooley's website, allowing individuals to compare a variety of factors using self-reported information. (The individual is able to organize the data according to what they consider most important.) The variables are equal in weight rather than weighted by subjective importance, which result in the change in rankings.
Also, I fail to see the relevance of it being referred to as "the ultimate TTT" by two law school discussion boards (out of hundreds). There are many discussions on those boards as well as others that argue otherwise.
To the Admin who Protected the Cooley article from editing
I notice that you protected the Thomas M. Cooley Law School page from editing. Although this may have been a necessary move, the manner in which you have taken this action disturbs me. You provided no explanation for your block on the article's talk page. I looked on the recently blocked articles page to see if you had listed your rationale there; you had not. In short, it would by really helpful if you could provide a reason for this block and some sense of when you plan to remove this block so that good faith editors can continue to do their work. Although I agree with you that we can't have the vandalism, there were also some edits removed right before your edit (eg textual information regarding rankings) that appeared to be a good faith, if controversial, edit, the inclusion of which was likely best left to consensus-building. Thank you. Consensusbuilder1 14:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
blatantly biased edits
In regards to this, although I think it it self-evident that these edits are blatantly biased and that they deliberately distort the cited sources (presumably in an attempt to pose as being verifiable facts), I'm willing to listen to what other mature editors have to say (I mention the "mature" qualification, since this article seems to attract a disproportionate share of juvenile vandalism). older ≠ wiser 21:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Response : Although these edits were possibly not a slam dunk for inclusion, they also do not fairly qualify as self evidently "blatantly biased"
- The motto controversy -- Brennan himself discusses this controversy in the source provided. He also admits that his knowledge of Latin is from his high school studies. This edit potentially crosses the line into original research when it critiques this choice of words, but at the same time everything written is verifiable (the editor provides objective evidence regarding latin meanings).
- The message board posts -- wikipedia articles frequently (and rightly) include opinions attributed to verifiable / notable sources (so as not to be pure POV). The message board cited are perhaps the two best known law school message boards. The fact is, on these and other message boards, and in conversation among law students, Cooley is frequently referred to as an archetypically mediocre institution ("the ultimate TTT). Although the wording of this bullet may need to be changed, the basic point here is a notable fact about how Cooley is perceived by man law students,as evidenced by these message boards.
- For these reasons, I suggest that someone re add this material (although bkonrad has already violated the 3 revert rule, I will not do the same. I acknowledge, again, that the disputed edits could use some cleaning up, but, overall, they are well-referenced and are not,. as bkonrad alleges, "blatantly biased".Helpmeoutnow 22:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Another Response :
- Casting aspersions is easy. If you want to have any credibility, however, back them up. You accuse the author of attempting to pose distortions as verified facts, yet besides making conclusory statements, you have not mentioned a single statement that is not a verified fact. What there is not factually true? If you cannot answer that question here, then quit vandalizing via deletion. --24.107.158.80 05:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
One day I visited the classroom and showed the students several drawings of logos which we had under consideration for the school. Curiously, the students picked a representation of an Ionic column. I say curiously, because it was some time before anyone thought of acquiring the old Masonic Temple with its stately front pillars, as our school building. With the help of Father Jerome MacEachen, our pastor at St. Thomas Aquinas parish in East Lansing, I devised a Latin motto to be displayed beneath the logo. In corde hominem est anima legis. The spirit of the law is in the hearts of men.
It wasn’t long before a delegation of our female students visited my office. They informed me that they were representatives of a new student organization known as CAT, an acronym for Cooley Action Team. They made it clear to m
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