v • d • e This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Philosophy , which collaborates on articles related to philosophy. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details.
v • d • e This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics , a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. The "quotation" at the top of this article has been cobbled together and I shall replace it with the whole of the first para of book 4 as the reference alleges. Empathyfreak (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I was wondering if anyone can break down what Jean-Jaques Rousseau meant by, "any member who refuses to obey the general will should be forced to do so"
The General will did not start with Rousseau, at the very least both Pascal and Diderot talked about it before he did. -S
The last criticism should be deleted or reworded. It's framed in such a way as to suggest that, definitely, Rousseau offers no mechanism, and that that, by some, is alarming for the reasons it gives. In fact, Rousseau's answer to the conditions under which majority will does not correspond to general will is, quite simply, to change those conditions. Under conditions of absolute equality, says Rousseau, people's interests would be the same, and therefore there could be no such discrepancy or even prolonged disagreement. The "mechanism for articulation" could then be as simple as put earlier on this page: the oak tree. The criticism is a straw man argument. I have deleted it. tomblikebomb
Rousseau scholars such as his biographer and editor Maurice Cranston and Ralph Leigh, to name a few, do not consider Talmon's "totalitarian thesis" c. 1950 as sustainable. The "General will" was a term of art and was not invented by Rousseau, who was a synthesizer, though a memorable and original stylist. It is true that Roussseau did not acknowledge his debt to the jurists and theologians who influenced him, but he was a very engaged and deep reader. The term "general will" occurs in Malebranche and Diderot in his Encyclopedia article on "Droit Politique." The "general will" in Rousseau is identical to the rule of law. See Maurice Cranston's introduction to the Social Contract , Penguin Classics, 1968, pp. 9-42.Mballen (talk) 01:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)February, 2009
Weird but
What rousseau meant was that those who do not lay down their individual wills, or rights, to the general will, then they will be forced to do so. By submitting your will to the general will you were living in a state of freedom. When you did not submit your individual will to the general will freely, then basically you would be forced to do so, and in that forced to live in freedom. its a weird concept i know
Merging
Should this article be merged with the general entry on Rousseau?
I don't think this should be merged with Rousseau's entry. -C
-NO MERGING- I really don't think this should be moved into Rousseau's entry b/c when people go looking for stuff about "general will" and have no idea what they are searching for b/c they are doing it for school (like me!), they won't be able to find anything about it b/c this system probably won't redirect it to the Rousseau article! -RLE
The article on 'gemeral will' should not be merged with the general entry for Rousseau. Instead there should be a seperation of the material specifically concerning the Social Contract, and the general information on Rousseau; if this were the case then I would recommend the article on general will to be merged with the article on the Social Contract. - David_Gruder@hotmail.com
There should be a seperate artical on the Social Contract, agreed. It is not possible to go into detail on the very complex paradoxes present in his work within a general biography. And the Social Contract is a major piece of modern philosophy. -JPDid you all forget how do use the ~~~~ signature feature..? Anyway, this article should *NOT* be merged. That is completely illogical, the tag is being removed. The French term page will now redirect here because it has been included in the title with a reference to it being French and being synonymous with "general will.." eesh. drumguy 8800 - speak? 07:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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erm, dialog should be spelt dialogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.179.242 (talk) 15:
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