Neutrality dispute
I do not think that this article sufficiently expounds on a criticism of oral contraceptives. Neither does it expound on any potential dangers of taking this contraceptive. Please express your opinions here. Bratsch e talk 05:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
"more than one woman who experienced her first orgasm..."
"Masters and Johnson, among others, reported more than one woman who experienced her first orgasm during intercourse shortly after going on the Pill."
Surely this should read something like:
"Masters and Johnson, among others, reported more than one in four woman who experienced her first orgasm during intercourse shortly after going on the Pill"
I agree it should be left vague. Especially because it's impossible to tell if that is a direct consequence of going on the pill, or if it is rather because going on the pill for the first time probably indicates a woman is in a stable, sexually active relationship for the first prolonged period.
Corporate Involvement
There's a substantial corporate history regarding which corporate entities have a vested interest in this market. Surely some of the major corporate players should be cited by name and date of involvement. Surprisingly, I just tried to find such a list, and the majority of my google queries come up with long lists of brand names not linked to the corporations behind them.
Social consquences - "sexual revolution"
The final section just isn't particularly accurate.
There is no evidence other than anecdote that the pill caused a sexual revolution in the sixties, frankly there is no evidence of a sexual revolution in the sixties. Other than a revolution in the media.
I'm hoping to change this - but it does seem a big job and I am thinking how best to do it - any suggestions??
Effectiveness
the effectiveness listed at 1 in 100 - where does that come from? lists it as 5 in 100 with progestin-only pills, 1 in 1000 for 'combination pills', and 5 in 1000 for 'perfect use', of progestin pills, which implies that it perfect use is not very common. This planned parenthood page is listing condom pregnancy rates at 14 per 100 for a year of use, 'only three will become pregnant if condoms are used perfectly'. Hmm. --MichaelTinkler
Can I just add - in the hope that someone will work this into the article - that the Pill is NOT a completely effective means of preventing pregnancy on its own. It also has no effect whatsoever against STIs, so while the Pill does mean that if you have unprotected sex (or an accident!) you are much less likely to get pregnant, condoms should also be used to provide full protection.--The Wizard of Magicland 21:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Lyrl-edits of 18 May 06
I am a medicinal chemist who deals in drug design and mechanism of action everyday. The information I put in is scientifically backed up with verifiable sources - five to be precise. The conclusions were not reached solely on the factor of STD's and if you would take the time to read the papers you would see that the conclusions do support the figures that I used. Albeit the lower end of the scale is most likely more accurate...that is not my right to determine but instead I need to use the reported, and peer reviewed data available. Further you do not source most of your "generally accepted" information. However, I do source everything I put in there. Your opinions do not belong here...this is a place for people to get information not be fed propaganda.
OT question by younger user
--71.230.248.74 00:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)OK, so my mom seems to think that taking this thing would be dangerous give me migranes, etc. There is the age factor (i'm 14) but still according to there commercial it reduces the amount of periods by 8 each year. Can someone get some statistics on the side effects maybe related to age that i could show her, or a list of all the pros and cons as stated by each side? Like a sort of summay of the article? Also, i seem to be getting the impresson that maybe she had a bad experience, so does genetcs contribtute to occurence of side effects? (sorry my keyboard is sticking today)--71.230.248.74 00:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
You're right that this is the wrong place, but you might want to look at the Planned Parenthood web site. It's generally a good source of reliable, objective medical information on contraception. Al 00:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
While we're talking about side effects, do we know why they occur? Some of them are similar to the symptoms of pregnancy and I was told by my mother (not a verifiable source by a long shot) that it was because the hormone increase was similiar that of pregnancy on a lesser scale (this was in a discussion about nausea, I've been rather ill riding in cars since I started a few days ago). Info like that could be helpful as many teens are coming here before PP for information... Kuronue 00:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Oral contraceptive vs. Hormonal contraception
Hormonal contraception is currently a stub. But it seems like it should be a higher-level article than this one, since it encompasses all the delivery mechanisms of combined or progesterone-only contraception. And that this article should focus on the unique aspects of taking the hormones orally (such as "use" and "packaging") rather than on the actions of the hormones themselves. Would moving some of the sub-topics of this article (such as "principles," "mechanism of action," "effectiveness," "drug interactions," etc. to the hormonal contraception article? Lyrl 16:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Disagree (but with sympathy, and agreeing some changes to some of the articles is needed) - I agree as a discussion of categorisation this is correct, but:
- Remember hormonal also includes injected progesterone (Depo Provera), and the coated 'coil' of IntraUterine System
- I fear we risk fragmenting into too many pages. We already have as the top level, Birth control, which sets out the classification scheme and effectively bypass Hormonal contraception entirely (calling it 'Chemical methods')
- Perhaps that 'Chemical methods' header needs to be reworded to Hormonal contraception
- If Hormonal contraception is to discuss most of the effects of oestrogens & progesterones, it will be significantly larger than current Oral Contraceptive, as Progesterone only pill would also get included, along with Depo Provera, IUS and the various progesterone-implants.
- Personally I would leave Hormonal contraception as a short descriptive/comparative piece with the greater details in the specific articles, or possibly just having a brief outline of the two groups of hormones and transfer this articles main history section there.
- Oral contraceptive is current written mostly about the combined oestrogen & progesterone pill history, controversy, effects & side-effects (progesterone-only pills covers these topics it its own article). I would change this article to a redirection page to Combined Oral Contraceptive Pill and Progesterone Only Pill
- Discussion of the risks of oestrogens (e.g. DVTs) really has no place in the main Hormonal contraception article in any great depth, as it is better suited to this article in discussing differences in risks of 2nd & 3rd generation COCP.
- When it comes to how the reader might wish to browse & read through the various pages, having every possible level of the contraceptive classification with its own page will be a poorer experience. All my patients consider the options (amongst others) as 'the pill' (which includes both COCP & POP), 'the injection' and 'the coil' (meaning IUD & IUS). 'Hormonal contraception' whilst a technically correct term and one us contributing editors are familiar with, is not a phrase used by the general reader. Instead they will look for 'birth control' (or 'contraception') and then expect to jump to specific methods ('Hormonal', I guess, means little to the wider readership).
David Ruben Talk 00:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
That all sounds good. On the template, coitus interruptus is considered a form of masturbation by the Catholic Church, and is not part of NFP. Everything else I really like. Lyrl 00:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Beginning of pregnancy controversy - implantation vs. fertilization, in vitro
This paragraph probably needs to be rewritten. For starters, the beginning of pregnancy controversy mentions in vitro fertilisation but doesn't say it was the cause of pregnancy being defined as beginning at implantation. It doesn't discuss when and why there was a change, if there was a change (and it wasn't just a pre-existing but probably largely ignored difference in terminology). Secondly the 'many sources' part is a bit of a weasel word IMHO in this context. How many is many? It would be better to say some medical sources or something of that sort maybe. Finally, the bit about "determination of oral... depends..... person's invididual...." is a bit confusing. This article already establishs that no one really know whether oral contraceptives do interfer in implantation. If they don't personal believes on the beginning of pregnancy is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Nil Einne 12:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I decided just to be bold. My new paragraph is as below
As you can see, I removed the unsourced bit about the origins of the definit
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