ASSYRIA
The Assyrians: their language and homeland.
The Assyrian Language. SURAYT/SURET
First, we have to know what Assyrian language means. The Assyrian Language is the language of the people who spoke it from the old times -from the Akkadian Empire and before- to the present day in the Lands of the Assyrians. The Assyrian Language is the Language of the Ancient-and contemprory Assyrians in all their denominations, be it East denomination(Nestorians), West denomination(Jacobites) or Chaldean denomination.
Like the people as they are called the East- and West Assyrians is also the language called the East- and West Assyrian language(dialect). In Assyrian we call the language SURET(east Assyrian) or SURAYT(west Assyrian).
We have also the written Assyrian Language, the language which was spoken in- and around Edessa(Urhoy/Urhay) in old times. We call this Leshono/Leshana Kthobonoyo/Ktabanaya or the language of Edessa(Leshono/Leshana d'Urhoy/Urhay(Edessa). This language is only used in Church Liturgie. It is not a daily spoken language like the other two language's;(Surayt-West Assyrian and Suret-East Assyrian).
Many schoolars call the Assyrian language with different names, like: Assyrian, Syrian, Syriac, Aramaic, Chaldean,Ashuri, Suryoyo/Suryaya and even Swadaya and Turoyo. But not even one schoolar mentions the name of the Assyrian Language as Surayt/Suret, for unknown reasons. But the real name of the Assyrian language in Assyrian is only and only SURET/SURAYT. As long as we remember our forfathers did call our Language, both West and East SURET/SURAYT. And we called ourselves SURAYE/SUROYE from where SURET/SURAYT is derified.
Nowadays the most West-Assyrians call themselves and their language SURYOYO. This is an old and at the same time a new introduction and a wrong interpretation. Suryoyo means as a matter of fact someone from the Suryoyo(Syriac/Syrian) people or someone from Syria(Surya). But in this case it means also the language of the Suryoyo(Syriac/Syrian) people. If the inhabitant's or the people of today's state Syria were not Arabic-speaking or Arab's, we could call them also SURYOYE and their language SURYOYO in our Assyrian(Surayt/Suret) language or in Suryoyo (Syrian/Syriac) as you wish. To understand this, one has to be grammaticly good in the Assyrian/Syriac (Surayt/Suryoyo) language and not in history or taking information from any kind of books or being gratuated in the Assyrian/Syriac language.
Assyrian AND Chaldean - The Term of Death! (Atouraya Younadam)
Dear all,
I agree 100% only ASSYRIAN; however when referring to all the Assyrian Nation and not only one denomination as some people do.
What do people mean if they write/say Assyrian and Chaldean? Do they mean by doing so the Chaldean rite and the ACOE? Then what about the Syriacs? Also by the using ChaldoAssyrian I feel(at least others will feel) like a stranger. Do I belong to them? Something is missing here.
Maybe that's why the new term; ChaldeanSyriacAssyrian. But this is a long name for a nation and it sounds like three nations are united under one long name. The same is with ChaldoAssyrian. Two nations are united in this case and as I said the Syriacs are outsiders.
Also the term; the Syriac speaking people refers to a people but which people and why a Syriac speaking people? Why not the Assyrian peole? Coming to the people of the village of Alqosh; I don't think they call themselves Aturaye but rather Suraye. And if they do call themselves Aturaye(nothing wrong with it) than is this also new. New in the sense of maybe a 100 years or so. The same is exactly with the people of Turabdin or Turizlo(Turizla) where I come from. We called ourselves Suroye and our language Surayt. But now in Europe or diaspora the most call themselves Suryoye and the language Suryoyo(Syriac). Why? Because they don't know better. Because some malpaneh or qasheh told them they are called in Ktabanaya(Kthobonoyo) Suryoye(nothing wrong with it also).
The people are confused with all these names. We all know that all these names refer to one and the same people, the Assyrian people. What is wrong with SURAYE/SUROYE? It only means Assyrian and nothing else. Some people write/say that we are irronously called Suraye/Suroye, but they are wrong. We are not irronously called Suraye/Suroye; we are Suraye/Suroye. This is our correct name in our language which is Suret/Surayt as I wrote in an early topic.
Suraye/Suroye doesn't mean Christians as some say. It only means ASSYRIANS. You only have to translate it in English into Assyrian. Suraye/Suroye is Asuraye/Asuroye, only we do not express the A(alaph) as we do with other words or names. Like for example Egypt. We do not call them Egoptaye, but Qoptaye. You see the first letter alaph is gone. An other example; we have a village in Turabdin called Anhol(Anhel). We don't call the people of Anhol(the letter h is here heth) Anohloye(or Anholoye), but Nohloye. So you see this is just the evolution of our language. We use to drop the first letter by some words or names if it is an Alaph as many of you knows. It has to do gramaticaly with some letters if there is a vowel (a,o,u,e,i) in between.
So nothing is wrong with our name SURAYE/SUROYE in our languge SURET/SURAYT which is acceptable for all the Assyrian people and which is the only correct name(off course in the Assyrian language/Suret/Surayt). In English it is only ASSYRIAN. But we have to educate the people to do so, because they do not know. How will the new generation know about the fact that we called ourselves SURAYE/SUROYE and our languge SURET/SURAYT if we don't educate them. The most are already forgotten it, if not, do not know anything about it. Only the elderly knows about this and sometimes I am thinking I am the only one who cares about our Nation's and Language's name which is/are;SURAYE/SUROYE and SURET/SURAYT in our Assyrian languge.
Some people or even proffessors refers now to the daily spoken West-Assyrian language, which is Surayt(the most call it now Suryoyo) as Turoyo and the East-Assyrian languge as Swadaya or sometimes as Suret(which is correct) or even Chaldaya or Chaldanaya. By doing this they create more confussion and deviding. We never called our languge Turoyo. I understand they do this to make a differance between the Kthobonoyo and the spoken languge. But by doing so there will be a time that the people will think that the West-Assyrian language is Turoyo which is not a language. Turoyo means as a matter of fact: a man or something or anything from the mountains or mountainious. In this case they mean mountainious language(Leshono Turoyo). Swadaya is not a language. It means letterly only dialect. You have language and you have dialect and swadaya in Assyrian means dialect. Suret is the only correctly naming of the Assyrian language, but not only of the East-Assyrian language, rather also of the West-Assyrian language but it is called Surayt which is the same.
A few years back in 2002 I was in Syria and I happened to be gast by a family of East-Assyrians which are relatives of relatives and because of little understanding of each other they told me that it was due to the fact that they speak Suret and I Suryaya. I said no, you speak Suret and I speak Surayt, the same name, the same language but two different dialects.
To come back to the subject, yes I am 100% for Assyrian and only Assyrian. However I would prefer in our Assyrian language(Suret/Surayt) only SURAYA/SUROYO which means ASSYRIAN. The other names(which are also ours) in my opinion are only deviding us more and more.
So; no to ChaldoAssyrian, no to ChaldeanSyriacAssyrian, but only and only ASSYRIAN(SURAYE/SUROYE).
I hope I was clear enough.
Yours in Assyrianism (Surayuta/Suroyutho).
Y. Mackay .....................................
Suraye/Suroye/Assyrian is our Name
Surayt/Suret/Assyrian is our Language
Assur/Assyria is our Land
The compoud name; ChaldayeSuryayeAturaye=SURAYE/SUROYE
I know the compound name is a process meant for unity. But this unity is not effective with three names for one people. It sounds like three separate peoples are united for one goal. This compound name;ChaldeanSyriacAssyrian is to long for the name of one people, everybody knows that. And I think they will never be united as one and the same people as long as this compound name is in use, maybe for the same goal but not as one people.So I suggest that first this compound name will be changed only in our language as ChaldayaSuryayaAturaya(not as Ashuraya or Asuraya or in English as Assyrian) in process of unity and than step by step change it into Suraya/Suroyo for all denominations in our language and Assyrian in English or other languages. Like this: ChaldoyoSuryoyoAthuroyo=SUROYO/SURAYA=ASSYRIAN.
I think the name Suraya/Suroyo is the only name acceptable by all denominations which is in my opinion also our real name. Also I am in the opinion that they(who ever did it) made a mistake to include the name Assyrian in English to the compound name. This looks like Assyrian is also a denominational name which is in fact not. Assyrian has to be reserved for our national name.
Y. Mackay
Re: The compoud name; ChaldayeSuryayeAturaye=SURAYE/SUROYE« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2008, 12:36:15 PM »
Quote from: chaldean on December 14, 2008, 01:43:19 AM No Suraya is not Akkadian, but rather a word that is derived from the Akkadian Aššūrāyā. Just look at Suraya as the Aramaic equivlance of what the Greeks and Romans called the Assyrians (Sur, instead of Assur.) Assyrians being part of Syrian rite basically means belonging to Assyrian rite. Syrian is English Suraya. At
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