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Is white flight also occurring in Canada at all? I would suspect that there are at least some racial tensions in Canadian cities but to a lesser extent than most US cities, which are indeed in very bad shape. Are some Canadian cities undergoing urban decay like Chicago, Detroit, and Los Angeles? As an American, I'm not trying to start a flame war (I hope it doesn't lead to that as well), I would just like to keep an open mind and learn more about the differences and parallels of our countries. 172.196.183.35 03:40, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Same person here. It's unforunate there's no response to my previous query.
I am from Britain myself and I've begun to mention the UK because white flight is not unique to the US. I'm attempting to broaden the view to the UK. 172.193.49.78 01:18, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I don't really know anything about this, but as for Canada, you might want to look for Asian immigration in Vancouver, Asian and Caribbean in Toronto, and I guess Caribbean in Montreal. That's very simplistic, but maybe it will help. Adam Bishop 01:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I propose we should restructure the paragraphs to a broader view. Convenants in the UK were quite common as well (like African-Americans, most South Asian immigrants were not able to purchase homes due to discriminatory real estate agent practices (they're called "estate agents" in the UK)). Perhaps we should divide the sub-sections into countries... 172.197.53.126 05:27, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Funnyhat 06:17, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You might want to do a search into continental Europe's most nonwhite cities, Marseille and Rotterdam, to see if the phenomenon has occurred there. I am under the impression that Marseille is very ethnically divided, and there are unofficial "boundaries" between Arab and African Marseille and white Marseille (much of which is composed of the descendants of immigrants from other European countries). Prairie Dog
I live in San Luis Obispo, California (which is mostly white at the moment but Hispanics have indeed established a foothold). With white flight occurring at a rapid pace, with Hispanics taking over Californian communities, we'll probably become like the Canadian province of Quebec (which, as all of you probably know by now, is officially French-speaking with French-language street and business signs; they have some kind of "language police" as well).
With the Hispanic population at a growing rate, Spanish is everywhere and the California legislature appears to be dominated by Latinos. On the streets, someday we'll have see signs to "ALTO" instead of "STOP" and "Avenida de (fill in the blanks)". It's the "Latinization" of America. Who knows?
I do not want to bait a flame war (please do not interpret that way), but while in the Los Angeles area, I was inspired by a talk radio host who was mentioning this prospect.
James Gordon 172.199.6.198 02:01, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
J.G.
I'm not sure why an unregistered user today removed the city names of Compton and Inglewood from this entry. The reason I can imagine is that he or she believed both to bad examples since they have been thoroughly non-white for many, many years. However, this is an article looking at the process of white flight really since World War II and both Compton and Inglewood are good historical examples of communities in which white flight occurred, albeit a while ago. Inglewood, for example, was a rather middle-class and certainly mostly if not exclusively white suburb until about 1960. Moncrief 03:46, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
I am interested in white flight occurances in mainland Europe; notably Holland, the south of France, and other nations and regions of nations where large non-white populations reside in large numbers. Questions regarding white flight in the European mainland: Is there white flight on the European mainland? If so, to what extent? If not, why not? How do native Europeans react to white flight? To where do "white flight" populations of smaller mainland European nations emigrate? I do not know enough about white flight to add to this topic, except to ask these questions. Kind regards, --Cormac Canales 18:24, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
While Brixton did undoubtedly experience "white flight" in the 50s and 60s, the reverse is true today - Brixton is becoming whiter as the middle classes (of all ethnic backgrounds) flock back to a rather interesting area with some first rate housing with a fast tube link to Central London. On the other hand, working-class blacks are either cashing in on increased equity on their homes, or else being pushed out by prices outside the range of most first-time buyers, and moving to areas like Mitcham and Central Croydon. London's probably the worst example of white-flight and racial segregation in the UK - it's a largely integrated city where districts change characted in a matter of a few years. In the sixties Battersea was a formerly white working-class area becoming increasingly black; now it's very Upper Middle-Class and so white they could probably use it on Daz commercials. There's more evidence of white flight in Birmingham and Leicester; Nottingham and Manchester are considerably more integrated; the real heartlands of American style segregation however are the small mill towns of the Penines - Rochdale, Oldham, Halifax, Accrington, Nelson, Burnley and Blackburn are all shockingly segregated.
I also took out the comments about people living in poverty in the same area for generations - it's far too early to say if that's the case. There is plenty of embourgoisement among the UK's black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities, and the Indian and Chinese communities are wealthier and better educated than average. The rate of inter-racial marriage in the UK is also just about the highest in the world.
In terms of France the process is the reverse of that in America - the core city areas tend to be relatively wealthy and whiter than average, while many of the public housing projects in the suburbs have seen their working-class white populations move out. Argenteuil, in the northern suburbs of Paris springs to mind as perhaps the best example.
Gerry Lynch 15:23, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
"numerous smaller cities such as Newark, New Jersey" -- Not sure about this, it is confusing, what standard of smaller is that? Newark is a humongously populated sprawling city. Perhaps it is a smaller city compared to New York City. Should this be corrected or am I just full of it? RFC. DG 21:54, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Would middle-class flight be a more accurate description? Even among non-white minorities, all but the most destitute tend to move as far from the center of cities like Cleveland or Detroit as they can afford to. Further, most of the white people in Detroit, Cleveland, Newark, etc. are gone already. --156.77.108.72 16:08, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I just did a big cleanup: little re-writing, mostly moved things into sections and break into topics. There were a couple of lists of affected US cities that I merged. I left empty slots for see also and ext lnks to remind us to give the article some context and citations. -Willmcw 01:25, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"WHITE FLIGHT" AN INVALID TERM....Throughout history, people have always shifted locales and migrated to be with other people with whom they have much in common. There is nothing "shameful" or "dis-heartening" about this...it's human nature. Black newspaper columnist Thomas Sowell gives us a very valid and in-depth look at this very subject:
"WHAT FLIGHT?" by Thomas
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