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This article ought to be deleted and the information contained therein ought to be put in Category:Psychoactive drugs . - Centrx 03:14, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Accolades
To whomever made the drug chart. It is fantastic and cleared up a lot of confusion for me. Before the chart drugs were a tangled mess in my head. This did a great job of clarifying things for me, quickly and easily, can this be nominated for a Wikipedia award or something. TimL 14:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
cannabis/marihuana/hashish
by request, and personal experience, i think cannabis should be replaced by marihuana/pot, and hashish should be added along with thc in the chart. Hashish it not an anti-psychotic in any way, but can quickly become the opposite. (89.8.51.44)
I have been replacing esp marijuana but any slang term with the generic cannabis wherever I can on wikipedia. This is the name of the articles Cannabis and Cannabis (drug) and would thus oppose very strongly any use of words other than cannabis except when, for instance, we are describing hashish in particular
Can someone explain how cannibus is a stimulant and a depressant, i have seen people (and felt) both ways under the influence of canibus, but under the medical term, does it slow or speed up the CNS
Drug chart
I added in my drug chart here... with hopes it will be improved upon ;)
Items I'm unsure if I've placed correctly:
- Cannabis -- should this be in the psychedelic section?
- Should the cholinergics be shifted left into the blue?
- Ibogaine -- psychedelic, dissociative, or both?
- Which dissociatives should or should not be considered to also be depressants?
- Does adrenaline/epineprine belong in here?
--Thoric 20:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Alcohol works as a stimulant in low doses (causing a "buzz") and only as a depressant in higher doses. I think this should be displayed in the chart somehow. If you want evidence I can supply it for you as there are many sources that reflect this. Also, you've probably experienced this yourself, if you're a drinking man, as that accounts for the "social lubrication" or "social buzz" that "social drinking" provides.
I know you worked hard on the chart, but its format as a sort of ven diagram is really innapropriate. Grouping in that way with the overlaps is too subjective. Too many of the substances can be argued to be in more then the overlapping categories.
How about improved rather than removed? This chart is to help the lay-person, not a medical student...
I don't think they will become much wiser, when even people that are not new to the subject are confused by the chart.
Is subtractive color mixing too complicated for you? There are 3 (+1) overlapping boxes, blue for stimulants, red for depressants, green for "halluncinogens" and pink for antipsychotics.
To me it looks like 4 partly-overlapping boxes, in which case the middle part of the image should be white and have nothing in it. But from what you tell I understand it is one blue/red box and overlapping green and pink boxes???
Most people who take anti-psychotics are also on SSRI's
Only when they also have depressive symptoms, which a lot of them have, not to treat psychosis or schizophrenia.
some people who have mood disorders are put on antipsychotics rather than SSRI's.
Interesting... do you have evidence for this or more information? I only know of antipsychotics being used as a temporary treatment for acute mania, but usually lithium is preferred over them.
Psychotic behavior is more usually caused from excess dopamine
This is only a hypothesis and has as far as I know never been proven so far. See Dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia
And how about signing up for an account
Hope you are happy now that I haved logged in... didn't know I had to log in whenever I post critisism. --WS 5 July 2005 14:15 (UTC)
Yes, I am happy now that you logged in. The middle part of the chart is white... and it has cannabis in it because it sort of doesn't really fall into any of the categories directly... it's not a CNS depressant or a stimulant, yet for some people it causes relaxation, and for others a "high". It doesn't really cause typical "psychedelic" effects either, although can cause entheogenic experiences in very high doses, and has synergistic effects with hallucinogens. The anti-psychotic section is new, and I am not sure that it is correct, although I think it's not too far off. As I stated further back, I hope to improve on it. Please take a look at my original graphical chart from which I based the color square table diagram, as it is a little more clear (though you can see I've since moved things around a wee bit). --Thoric 5 July 2005 17:25 (UTC)
Salvinorin A
Definitely needs to be in the overlapping area between psychedelic and dissociatives.Erasurehead 16:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Ketamine
Probably needs to be in the overlapping area between psychedelic and dissociatives.Erasurehead 16:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
LSA
Should be in the psychedelics, maybe next to LSD --TheJamerson
Erowid mentions LSA as causing psychedelic hallucinogenic effects, and if I'm not mistaken, that's our most reliable psychoactive substance information source. If I'm not mistaken, isn't LSA a milder form of LSD? 4.234.39.196 17:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ibogaine
My references don't mention a dissociative effect of ibogaine. Erasurehead 16:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Muscarine
This is just a small point regarding the chart. I noticed that Muscarine is on there, and Muscarine exerts no effect on the CNS - if I'm not mistaken, that means it isn't classified as a Psychoactive drug. I won't remove it because I'm not certain, but maybe anyone who is more versed in Pharmacology can adjust the chart? Thanks --Panentheon 26 August 2005 17:26 (UTC)
DXM
I noticed someone (67.169.38.235) added DXM to the psychedelic side. While some consider DXM to be a "psychedelic", it still belongs in the dissociative section. Please read both the psychedelic drug and dissociative drug pages for clarification to how substances under both categories can have similar effects. --Thoric 06:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Why, I don't see any reason to relate dissociatives with deliriants. Care to elaborate? Though deliriants sometimes have a somewhat dissociative effect. Thoughts become completely nonsensical, and the user sees things from the subconscious, consciously. However, dissociatives don't, to my knowledge, have deliriant effects. The hallucinations from dissociatives, from my understanding, would be considered more psychedelic instead of delirious or delusional. 4.234.39.196 17:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it only the Chlorpheniramine Maleate in Triple C's that cause deliriant effects, as is described in the non-medical use of Dextromethorphan article, or does DXM itself also do this? 4.234.39.196 18:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Cannabis
While I think the Venn diagram is excellent, I'm a little concerned about Cannabis. On inspection, it looks like cannabis simply fits all three of the major categories, but when I first saw it I thought it was a POV statment and/or subliminal message in favor of smoking marijuana. I don't see an obvious fix, but you might want to keep that in mind if you can think of a way to fix it in some future edit. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 01:34, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Psychoactive Drugs, Generally
I'd like to adress something I've noticed on nearly all pages that concern psychoactive substances. There seems to be a lot of scientific talk on these pages, and this page is the worst. I find this problematic because the scientific approach is only one viewpoint. Take a look at a website like Erowid.org, and you'll notice a very nice combination of both a scientific view and a personal/spiritual view of these peculiar substances. Presenting readers with just one side of the story is pretty unfair, I'd think, as the other side might be even more interesting for some readers or researchers that come here to find information. Things you could include would be the cultural and religious use of some of these substances, as well as the way they have been adopted by modern culture. Another downside of the scientific approach lays in the fact that DMT is mentioned as a psychoactive substance, but the Amazonian Ayahuasca, a combination of Banisteriopsis Caapi and Psychotria Viridus, (which is the chemical combination of DMT and Harmine/Harmaline, which is a MAO-inhibitor) is not mentioned anywhere on the page. Still, this brew is in itself a psychoactive substance, and worth mentioning: there is actually already a wikipedia page for it. I can speak all I like but I believe this story will be enough for you to get my point. Let's summarize it all by asking the person that made this whole chart (which I think can be a good idea, but is pretty chaotic in itself) if he eve