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I'll sleep better tonight knowing this SOB is burning in hell.
Why was the information at the bottom of the article regarding the scheduled execution date removed? 97.115.210.51 (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)ChrisI realize that, but earlier today it said this: Execution date
José Medellín's execution date has been set for August 5, 2008.
There is nothing inaccurate about that.
The quote that I specifically mentioned, "José Medellín's execution date has been set for August 5, 2008.", was not inaccurate at all. 97.115.210.51 (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Chris
he's not dead yet
somebody edited his death to today. but he's yet to be executed. not right to do that until he's actually dead. i'm changing it back Caesarscott (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Editing on the rape and murder section
The unnecessary morbidity, and irritating sloppiness of this section has required editing. It is not a matter of sanitising the piece--the largely unsourced, spectacularly gruesome details of this section are inexcusable. I have no doubt that the section's callous handling of these atrocities would cause offence to a reasonable person, and is a potential source of untold hurt to the victims' families.
I have no doubt that the current edit is insufficient, and no doubt that its original author is worringly divorced from the material he/she has written.
The source of the "gruesome" details of the murders was cited and the author was one of the family members of the victims. Kevin (talk) 17:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Removing what Medellin's crime while discussing him as a person does injustice to the integrity of wikipedia. I will try to reword the section and find all the necessary sources Kevin (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow
So, the article's administrators have reinstated its grimness. A score for democracy! Listen, while zealots are running around like termites, defending and spreading the democracy of knowledge, your little hearts are decaying. Seriously. THIS ISN'T A JOKE. I was genuinely offended by that article, and I ain't no prude. I have no doubt others will find it offensive too. So, if you are a wiki-zealot (and I pray for you if you are) then here's a cure, suggested elsewhere to our young administrator Superman40, or something:
Ask yourself these 3 questions about the article's section on the crimes: "Are the gruesome details in the public interest?"; "Are they verifiable?"; and "How would a friend/family member of the victims respond to reading it?"
Have a think about that, young WikiWarriors.
Right, I'm getting back to work now.
I am thankfull the full details are posted. WAKEUP AMERICA! This is happening in our own backyard. Justice must prevail! Lets stand up and fight for our right to not live in fear of criminals! I wish all states handled horrific crimes like Texas!
Medellín's Immigration Status
Is there any info on his Immigration Status? I think that information would be pertinent to the discussion as it might explain why he was not granted the rights of the treaty to a visit with the consulate. I couldn't find anything in a quick search.
He was in the US illegally. However, his immigration status has nothing to do with the benefits of the Vienna Convention he, as a Mexican national, was entitled to.128.146.238.235 (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
It's true that he was illegal, but not in the traditional "illegal" sense. His parents, Maria Felipa Medellin and Venancio Medellin Armendariz, Sr. entered the country legally and were naturalized. They did not fill out the requisite paperwork to naturalize him, hence, he was illegal, though his parents were legal. He grew up here in here in Houston and attended school in HISD, but never sought US citizenship, though he was eligible.
From the denial of Habeus Corpus writ in http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/OPINIONS/HTMLOPINIONINFO.ASP?OPINIONID=17174
First, let us be clear about applicant's claim. Born in Mexico, applicant was brought to the United States when he was three years old and, at the time he was arrested, had lived in this country for fifteen of his eighteen years. He spoke fluent English, but he never obtained, nor apparently ever sought, U.S. citizenship. So, at the time of his arrest and trial, he was legally a Mexican citizen. His claim is that no one informed him of his right to contact the Mexican consulate. This is true. It is also true that he was never denied access to the Mexican consulate. The problem is that he apparently never told any law enforcement or judicial official that he was a Mexican citizen until some four years after his conviction. Applicant never informed the arresting officers that he was a Mexican citizen. (1) He makes no claim that he informed any magistrate that he was a Mexican citizen. He points to no evidence that he informed the trial judge before or during his trial that he was a Mexican citizen. (2) We do not know what the arresting officers, the magistrate, or the trial judge would have done had any of them been informed that applicant was a citizen of Mexico
This is not a minor issue; the opening sentence of this Wiki entry stating that he was born in Mexico and was a Mexican national executed in Texas, though technically true, is misleading and is clearly written to buttress the arguments put forth by his attorney four years after his conviction. Personally, I think that to not mention that he came to Houston at three years old and grew up here is at best incomplete, at worst dishonest and written to advocate on his behalf and uphold an anti-capital punishment tradition here on Wikipedia. So be it.
Execution
Does someone know how Medellin was executed? With an electric chair or did they just hang him? Bashcourtn (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
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