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descended from French arcades, department stores
In contrast, a pedestrian-only street would be called a mall, while a covered mall -- an elegongated, mostly linear, hall with shops off it -- would be called an arcade.
This isn't at all what the article says, so perhaps someone can correct my perceptions? -- Pde
In Australia, the terms "Shopping Centre" and "Shopping Mall" (or just "Mall"), are used interchangeably to refer to medium or large-size complexes, both open or enclosed. They would normally contain at least two major grocery chain outlets, at least two liquor outlets, at least one mid-range department store (K-Mart, Big W, Target, etc), and a number of smaller specialty stores. These centres will also usually contain a "food court" where patrons can purchase and consume a meal. A smaller version would usually be referred to as simply a "Shopping Centre (single grocery outlet, single liquor store, and perhaps no department store or food court at all), while a larger example (sometimes referred to as a "Super Centre")is usually designated by a specific name. (eg: Charlestown Square, Roselands, Chatswood Chase) The larger examples often contain multiple Department stores and food courts, as well as Medical Centres and Cinema complexes.
Generally, Australians don't hold too much to convention when it comes to referring to these centres. The names with which they are designated (mall, shopping centre, square, etc), are usually designated by the developers, and nobody argues the point after that. MR
I should also note that this is from the outlook of a New South Welshman. People from other states may have different opinions on the matter. MR
In my understanding, the phrase "shopping mall" normally implies an enclosed or semi-enclosed facility (at least here in the Frozen North), and "shopping center" is a somewhat more general term (that might include, for example, a complex of single-tenant buildings surrounding a central parking lot). "Strip mall" to me implies a very specific form, in which a long multi-tenant building runs parallel to a highway, and fronts a parking lot which is directly off that highway.
Somewhere in this article should be a mention of Kansas City's Country Club Plaza, which is supposed to be the first of its kind, but I don't have the energy to research it further. 18.24.0.120 03:20, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Why do people keep erasing additions to the shopping mall list? Some of these are quite noteworthy, especially Water Tower Place in Chicago.
Regarding Southdale, I have to say I grew up in Washington, where I was always told that Seattle's Northgate Mall was the oldest mall in the country. See here where the date of 1950 is given. I wish we could get reliable data....as it is, I think we may need to change the sentence about Southdale to indicate that its status as "first" is disputed. Jwrosenzweig 00:02, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi, just a thought - I came to wikipedia looking for a definition of strip mall as opposed to shopping mall... it's fairly obvious now I think about it, and the more modern UK phrase would be a "retail park".
On a related note, strip mall doesn't return a search on the wikipedia page - I'd look up how to implement a link but I've had a couple of beers and don't want to make too many changes.
I think it would be great if we could come to some sort of conclusion as to how the many shops under one roof are called (maybe differently in various parts of the world, but we could make a note of that, couldn't we?).
Meanwhile, the usual, rather boring signs of capitalism in this field—to build even bigger, better malls—has already led to various people and places claiming they've got the biggest shopping centre, mall, whatever. I've just come across one of them, the Shopping City Süd near Vienna, Austria (see my comments). For me it's a horrifying vision to go through the List of shopping malls and find, say, 13 different largest outlets. What can we do about that? Are there any official international statistics? What is counted? Space? Number of employees? Customers/Visitors? <KF> 21:55, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
strip malls
i always thought of strip malls as distinct from shopping malls. anyway, there's enough info here to warrant a seperate page. anyone agree? (thought- i just saw the Outlet mall page. is this considered seperate from a strip mall? they look the same to me.) Joeyramoney 04:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
many small stores in one building
What are buildings with many small retailers called? This has been common in the US for many decades and is an increasingly popular form of shopping and leasing/owning for both consumers and small retailers. It often also includes collaboration and cooperation in marketing and other things. --Espoo 12:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone confused strip malls with shopping centers
It looks like someone confused the strip mall with the shopping center in the section on strip malls. I have only seen the term "strip mall" applied to a long rectangular building where all the tenants face a single small parking lot in between the building and the street. The important thing is that they face the street and they can be easily seen from the street. If the building is large enough that it "wraps around" the parking lot, especially to the extent where some tenants face away from the street, it is a shopping center and not a strip mall. If the building is fully enclosed and all or almost all the tenants face an enclosed interior walkway, then the building is a shopping mall. At least those are the usages I have seen in my travels throughout the western United States. Does anyone have any objections? If there are alternative definitions in use elsewhere, we need to note where and rewrite the article accordingly. --Coolcaesar 19:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Super-regional Malls
I don't see how this could be true. I live near several very large malls and none of them dominate the shopping in their areas. A super-size mall attracts people from a large area but it doesn't dominate any part of that area, except maybe the few blocks around itself.
Notability guideline being developed
Please see WP:MALL where there is an ongoing attempt to create a guideline for which malls are deserving of articles. Your thoughts are appreciated. Edison 06:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Retail park
I suggest merging retail park with shopping mall. Retail park is completely redundant with shopping mall, so we might as well merge. Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 14:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I also support the idea that retail park is just another name for a strip mall. It would be a better merge that to merge retail park with shopping mall.
Afil 03:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I moved the merge template tag to Strip mall and reset the tag at Retail park, for any further discussion before an actual merge. --Adavidb 18:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I think a merge would be a poor decision. The retail park described on here is a very British thing, and merging it into an article which is as American as strip mall (I'm an educated Brit who understands American wordings, but a not so informed Brit wouldn't have a clue what the strip mall page was talking about) would either make the article a bit of a mess (yo-yoing between American and British terms), or effectively remove 'Retail Park' from Wikipedia. NeilSenna 01:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- As I noted below, "Shopping center" redirects here. This results in an effort to include all types of shopping centers in the "Shopping mall" article. If "shopping center(centre)" is a generic term common to most or all English speakers, the general article should have that name, not "Shopping mall."--orlady 02:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
"Shopping center", anyone?
In my interactions with the article Shopping mall, I have been dismayed to see that Shopping center redirects here. IMHO, and apparently in the opinion of many other English speakers who have commented, "shopping center" (or "centre") is the broadly applicable term and "shopping mall" is a relatively narrow term that means an indoor enclosed center. I see no evidence that there was di
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