Further information: Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Man Who Would Be Queen (term v phenomenon) and Talk:The Man Who Would Be Queen/mediation
Mediation facts
Involved parties
- Cerejota (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) , filing party
- James Cantor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (aka MarionTheLibrarian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Dicklyon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Jokestress (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- BrownHornet21 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- DGG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Hfarmer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- ProudAGP (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- DarlieB (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- WhatamIdoing (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Articles involved
- The Man Who Would Be Queen ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Lynn_Conway ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Homosexual_transsexual ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Ray Blanchard ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Feminine essence theory of transsexuality ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- J. Michael Bailey ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Autogynephilia ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Archives of Sexual Behavior ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Centre for Addiction and Mental Health ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Transsexualism ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Andrea James ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
- Deirdre McCloskey ( edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs )
Issues to be mediated
- WP:NPOV.
- WP:OR/WP:SYNTH
- WP:FRINGE issues.
- Difference between "debates about scientific research" and "scientific debates".
Additional issues to be mediated
- WP:COI of the warring editors on these and related articles. Dicklyon (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Request for opening statements
- Moved to Archive 1 SlimVirgin 06:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Conflict of interest
Thank you for all the statements. If anyone else wants to add something, please do, as the input is very helpful.
I'm trying to get the COI issues straight. First, WP's definition of a COI is:
an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor. ... Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest.
Jokestress
Jokestress has self-identified as Andrea James, an LGBT rights activist. Hi Jokestress. :-) J. Michael Bailey told the Northwestern Chronicle that, as part of your critique of his book, you published a satirical webpage that showed photographs of his children, with comments about whether he had sodomized them. You're also accused of having contacted people who helped with the book, and of having threatened them. Are those claims correct?
If the allegations are accurate, you probably shouldn't be editing any articles about Bailey. When an issue becomes personalized to that extent between living people, it's important that related Wikipedia articles don't end up appearing to be involved in the dispute. The same would apply to Bailey editing anything about you.
Can you agree to stop editing articles about Bailey and his work, and to refrain from making edits about him in other articles? SlimVirgin 21:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Dicklyon
Hi Dicklyon. :-)
You're apparently a personal acquaintance and former employee (30 years ago) of Lynn Conway, who is part of a real-life campaign against J Michael Bailey and his book. Can you say how close a friend you are of Conway's? If you're simply someone who used to work for her, I see no conflict of interest. But if you're someone who has dinner with her regularly (for example), and if your interest in editing in this area stems from an ongoing relationship with her — in other words, if there's any sense in which you're acting as her proxy — then there might be a COI. I'd appreciate more details about how you stand in relation to her, if you don't mind — by e-mail if you'd prefer.
The other issue raised regarding you is incivility. Can you agree not to make any more uncivil remarks about other editors, no matter the provocation? That applies to everyone, of course, but a specific commitment from you would be helpful. SlimVirgin 21:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
James Cantor
I'm not clear about James Cantor's COI, though several of you have mentioned it. He works at a mental health clinic that specializes in sexology and transsexualism. He is a colleague of Ray Blanchard, who first came up with the theory of autogynephilia, or who was the first to coin the term, which has made Blanchard controversial within the transsexual community.
Does that mean that none of Blanchard's academic and medical colleagues are allowed to edit in that area of Wikipedia? I would find that a stretch of the COI definition. James is not associated with J. Michael Bailey, so far as I know.
James, have you had any direct involvement (in real life) in this dispute, either the Bailey aspect or the area of autogynephilia in general? When I say "involved," I don't mean simply writing academic papers or book reviews; I mean in a more personal sense — personally criticizing or being personally criticized. Another editor wrote in his or her statement that you stand to gain professionally or financially from promoting the concept of autogynephilia. Is that correct, and do you feel you have a COI? SlimVirgin 23:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
James, the point about the review of Bailey's book that you wrote, describing it as "scientifically grounded", is that it hitched your academic credibility to his; the fact that he had to back-pedal and call it not science to get out of some of the accusations is what pretty much "ruined" Bailey if anything did; to say that you're not conflicted about that is simply not credible. And you didn't comment on the community of people who get to publish in the Archives. Are there other places where people can publish on sexuality and be considered experts? Dicklyon (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
As to whether there are real-world personal disputes that can create a problem, a simple search of "James Cantor" along with "Lynn Conway" or "Andrea James" will reveal that there certainly is a real-world dispute involving him and them in connection with Bailey and Zucker, and the Archives and the Clarke, etc. Dicklyon (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
ProudAGP
It would be nice to hear from ProudAGP, too. From her recent comments, it seems clear that she's either a principal in the real-world disputes, or is very close to them; she knows their literature and arguments very well, and is a WP:SPA i
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