Improvement
Since this article has been nominated for improvement, I thought I would make a few suggestions:
Move much of Eagle Scout rank in the BSA to the lead in.Move the NESA and DESA references here. Done , needs a lot of cleanup.A short history. Started section, but no text yet.Current requirements: tighten the text, more emphasis on leadership and service.Expand service project.Include palms (image?).Found it at Eagle Palm!- Move Interpretation of the badge design
to Insignia. Tighten this upSimilar awards: move the lead in info on Philppinnes and Queens, add GSUSA Gold, Venturing Silver and anything that some folks might consider comparable.Any other thoughts? --Gadget850 19:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I am considering removing Interpretation of the badge design altogether, as it does not really add anything to the article. If we keep it, it really needs a lot of cleanup. --Gadget850 14:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
With no toher discussion, I deleted this section. --Gadget850 19:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I have made some corrections to the History section, based on Terry Grove's excellent work on the Eagle Award. --Emb021 20:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Arrow of Light and Eagle
The Arrow of Light is Cub Scouting's highest award, and as such is on par with the highest awards/ranks in the other program areas. Hence the ability of Boy Scouts to wear the insignia past the age of 11 and of adults to wear the corresponding knot. Thesquire 08:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Badge/Medal
Looking at several references (Scout Handbooks, Insignia Control Guides, etc) the cloth patch is consistently referred to as a badge and the pin on emblem is a medal . Also the other rank pages use badge for the patch. --Gadget850 11:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Eagle Scout Userbox
How about making a Eagle scout userbox? Place it below. Dustimagic 19:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
See my user page for an Eagle scout userbox. It also adds you to the category. Rebelguys2 created it. Rlevse 19:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Eagle Scouts and the U.S. Military
Eagle Scouts who enlist in the US military may receive advanced rank in recognition of their achievements.
Is there anything out there we can cite? I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find any verfiable sources with a quick Google search. I remember that Rlevse is retired from the U.S. Navy, and he could probably vouch for it, at least. -— Rebelguys2 talk 18:07, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
During my Army and Scouting careers, I jhave had Eagles Scout who enlisted at E-2. I changed this to may some time back, because it must be in the enlistment contract: there are other issues that may negate the Eagle.
- Air Force:
- Marines: (PDF)
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
The wonders of Google :-) Rather hard to pick it out though, but that's become a bit of a speciality of mine. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Revert War on Eagle Percentage
Stop the revert war on the percentage of BSA Scouts who make Eagle. As Gadget850 has provided an official BSA cite for it, this is settled. Not to mention the people who keep changing it to 2% don't even have the integrity to get an account and sign their name. Any further reverts from 4% will be reported as vandalism. Rlevse 22:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC), Scouting Project and Portal coordinator.
Returning of Eagle Scout Award
Anyone think something should be included about people returning their Eagle Awards to BSA HQ in response to BSA v. Dale or the atheist Scout being kicked out? Worldtravller 20:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Merge of Eagle Palms
Propose merge from Eagle Palms. The article is short, and can certainly be tightened up enough for s section in the Eagle Scout article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
OK: I will do this in the next day or so. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
done --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Badge Symbolism
I'm just too tired to look this up right now, but this looks like it was taken from one of the ceromonies. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I cut this as it seemed to be ripped from some of the ceremony stuff. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Eagle Award Kit
It might be good to show the award kit given to an eagle scout (ie. mothers pin, award, mentor pin, father pin, and i think there was something else in there. also, a picture of the eagle certificate would be nice. the two problems with that are that first of all we need to decide whose to use, and second of all, do we blur out the name. i'm fine with using mine but i'm afraid people will take it as me trying to gloat or something. any takers?-- preschooler @ heart 06:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
name
What's the purpose of the word "rank" in the title? The rank is called "Eagle Scout", not "Eagle Scout rank". — Dan | talk 23:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Originally, there were separate articles for each rank. After combining the other articles, rank got left in the Eagle Scout article. It's been moved now. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
GA to FA
- Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America) was made a Good Article. Rlevse thinks it has FA potential.
- Rebelguys2 doesn't think it's a very well-written article at all, but it is well cited. These were some of his other comments:
- The main problem is that the text is extremely choppy.
- There's really not that much content in there; we should expand the article so that it's comprehensive
- expand the history
- perhaps add more data about how to obtain the rank
- add a section about the Eagle Scout rank and how it relates to how it's perceived by the public, in pop culture, in history, etc.)
- rewrite it so it's not just a long list.
What then do we need to do next? --evrik 21:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I agree with Rebelguys2...it has the potential, but it needs work first. Rlevse 21:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- The next step is to work on one of Rebelguys2's suggestions one at a time. Rlevse 21:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- The grammar and choppiness of this article are easy to fix. I think the main problem will still be comprehensiveness...I recommend sending this article to Wikipedia:Peer review soon, to get new sets of non-Scouting-affilitated eyes give some suggestions of what's missing to the general reader. — Rebelguys2 talk 17:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- Great idea. Let's plan on that by the end of the week. Rlevse 20:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Evolution of the Eagle Scout Badge
It appears that much of this section (prior to my last edits) is copied from Dr Murray's The Eagle Badge page. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The section from "The types and years of the badges are" are and a footnote crediting the website as such (#15). Perhaps each type should also be credited. Any summarization or re-write of the information would have a look of outright plagiarism. So the question becomes…
- Should the article include information on the changes in the patch?
- If so, do we continue using the work and crediting Dr. Murray or do we move try to re-phrase and summarize his work with the four other sites that describe the patch through the years?
- If not, does this section stand alone without the describing the changes and rely on the scans?
I have also written to Dr. Murray requesting permission to use several scans of his Eagle Medals for this article and will ask his assistance to update this article.--dep369 17:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Dep369
- I think if we credit him (which we already did), that would suffice for crediting purposes. If we get permission for the medals, that'd be great. I like the way Gadget850 left the wording as of this moment. Rlevse 17:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- We still have to fix the text. Before I started to fiddle with it, most of it was copied directly, and I only made a few changes. Please look at WP:CP and WP:NPS. There is more room for improvement in this section. I'm still wiped out from 4 days of Wood Badge staff, so I'm going to let it lay for now (I was just making too many typos). --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hot tub! After reflection (and a long soak), the text of this section MUST be deleted and replaced with text that is not in violation. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- I put a line with a ref to a footnote. However, I am not sure this is the best way to do this. Perhaps we should just put it in the reference section OR if we get his permission, it be okay to use. I think it'd be hard to rewrite what he wrote and do justice to the badge variations. Rlevse 01:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I took a stab at it- let me know what you think. --Gadget85
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