Transwiki English Translation of Sutras
It is excellent to find this ancient text in wikipedia. Though, yhis should be in wikisource, which is for original texts without copyright and not in wikipedia - encyclopedia. --Arjuna 21:45, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Completed Merge of the Yoga Sutras Article Into This One
I just merged the Yoga Sutras article into this one. I made the merged article a redirect. I'm removing this item from the Duplicate Articles list. The text that I didn't use in the merge follows. --Smithfarm 19:51, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Added-deleted?
I added the link to the site where the Patanjali sutra's named the The Thread of the Science of Uniting One's Consciousness was offered, because that is the only place where the book is read out aloud. There is no other way of offering this knowledge in this form but by this personal website. And, by the way, which of the already mentioned sites are not personal ?
--rpba 16:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The Yoga Sutras were before Buddhism
Buddhist tradition asserts the opposite to the claim in this article: the Buddha studied under the two leading Yogi teachers of his day, and deliberately modelled his noble 8-fold path as a caricature of the Patanjali 8-fold path. i.e. Patanjali came first. The claim that the Yoga Sutras are modelled on Buddhism is at best contentious.
TRANSLATION ISSUESI really don't like the current discussion of "citta vritti nirodha":
"Yogas citta vritti nirodha" ("Yoga is control of thoughts and feelings").
citta is literally consciousness or thoughts and feelings, fine. but vritti is a swirling or a whirling. and nirodha is extinction or elimination. definitely not control. this is a really substandard interpretation. if you want a reference, I would cite any of the excellent textbooks by Feuerstein. They all support this view. This needs to be changed.Lesotho 20:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
need for more links to texts
The current links by being so selective are implicitly biased and not nuetral. In this case, given the wide divergence of translations Wikipedia can only honestly present the competition. And since those nuances of difference may not even be suspected by researchers, the list should be comprehensive. Further, this page as stands is an outright advertisement for "Ashtanga Yoga". It needs to be totally revamped both in the light of current spiritual thought (or organisational strategy) and the light of modern academic research. Patanjali is not an userpable trademark for a single group. While the swamij.com interlinear is an admirable work it is not definitive. The inclusion of the BonGiovanni translation is problematic, one that seems almost to have been made to play up the qualities of the other more thourough work. Though I'm not much in favor of the his treatment of the third book, let me quote BonGiovanni (and Patanjali) from the second:
2.23 The association of the seer with Creation is for the distinct recognition of the objective world, as well as for the recognition of the distinct nature of the seer.
2.24 The cause of the association is ignorance.
We shouldn't force associations on this pure work.
Here are most of the other sources: Yoga Sutras in English ]
- Swami Prabhavananda, "How to Know God: The Yoga Aphorisms of Pantanjali" 1969 ISBN 978-0451620125
But I believe quoting sales figures may be as relevant as, and easier than quoting an academic as to relevance here. What are the Historical usages of this text? In Universities, in Ashrams, on the street? AS TO A SINGLE line. Well the number of sutras is contested isn't it? So
Alongside the Bhagavad Gita and Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the Sutras are a milestone in the history of Yoga. The book is a set of 195 aphorisms (sutras)
Is the Bhagavad Gita considered a milestone of Yoga? Better to mention the Upanishads. 194-196 is the count. In the 3rd book are a couple sometimes omitted: the 3.19 & 3.22. 3.19 {impossible to know the structure of others} was brutal for yogis who sold yoga as magic, and I reckon someone of them dropped it and added the fluff of 3.22{also disappears hearing,etc} to compensate for what was perhaps the original 195 total. But we can't know today. When did the texts diverge? Klasovsky 22:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Yoga Sutras and the Web
I suggest that there be a topic added to this page: Yoga Sutras and the Web, in which the availability, and contemporary syntaxes (for want of a better word) of current Yoga Sutras' usages are ennumerated; i.e. its availability copywrite free for sites dealing with any aspect of spirituality, usage as a dogmatic tool by yoga groups, as evidence of an ecumenical nature by other groups, on personal pages of other translators, etc. And also to look at the discrepancies, or rather, at the range of differences as may appear in these. This proliferation of translations is a real phenomena, one that begs documentation; and it would serve the largely web centric readers of this 'pedia as a tool for critical differentiation . Perhaps this could be a seperate page, but it'd have to be linked here.Klasovsky 12:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Buddhipriya, I don't think anyone can argue with your contention that it would be optimal to read and process the sutras in Sanskrit, rather than relying on the interpretations others. The Kalama Sutra should tell us that much at least. However, it is my impression that this English version of Wikipedia is intended to provide access to and a summarized version of the knowledge available on various topics to native English speakers. I feel it impoverishes Wikipedia to eliminate all topics that have no origin in English or cannot be properly understood without combing through source texts.Personally, I do not see the harm in pointing externally to Patanjali resources (in the form of textbooks, online bhasya, etc.). I disagree strongly with the position that there is no value (or indeed harm) in an interested learner or aspirant to consume all available knowledge on the subject. If the prerequisite for absorbing any of the lessons of the Yoga Sutras or Hinduism more broadly is years of formal training in Sanskrit, then I think that discourages all who are interested in furthering their own knowledge.Lesotho 17:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The sutra's by Osho, relevant historical link to be added?
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